Rangers

[Folonius]

Yes, Elves are at a disadvantage there, but what else are you spending your build points on? INT? CHA? dump stats. WIS? meh. dump stat.

STR and CON are your two primary stats (unless you are a finesse build), since, as a ranger you don't need DEX to qualify for TWF feats. On a 32 point build, you can definitely spare 10 build points for CON. Even if you max strength, that still leaves you with 6 left over.

Dex, Str, Con in that order. Dex for the extra to hit, str for the extra damage, and a 12 con (it's an elf). Everything else is a dump stat. I put 2 points into wisdom so it's easier to use spells. Just need a +2 or +3 item, and it helps at lower levels to gain access to the spells.

[96th_Malice]

You get TWF feats for free. Try it occasionally.

xoxoxoxo,

stainer

You're obviousley runnimg with the wrong rangers !

The good rangers ( archers ) dont run around bow blazing ....... BUT I have been in MANY a party with them. You can tell the bow blazers cause all the mobs are running towards a toon that in 10-15 seconds will be dead

If I could give away my free TWF feats from all my rangers I would lol !!

[ghettoGenius]

The funny thing is for years I have hated ranged characters. This is mostly due to my exposure to the pewpewpew mentality and poor gameplay of less skilled players but also because ranged sucked for years. Only recently have I reincarnated an old ranger and to my surprise she is quickly becoming one of the strongest toons in my account (especially so with very little exceptional gear). I attribute this to many bugfixes over the years as well as the introduction of AA and various melee changes which have brought ranged more in line competitively.

So it is not without irony to be lambasted at times in groups when I break my bow out with my AA.

[Slink]

fixed That For Ya

+1

[BattleCircle]

I hear ya Stainer

PEW PEW PEW PUKE

[Renvar]

Dex, Str, Con in that order. Dex for the extra to hit, str for the extra damage, and a 12 con (it's an elf). Everything else is a dump stat. I put 2 points into wisdom so it's easier to use spells. Just need a +2 or +3 item, and it helps at lower levels to gain access to the spells.

Are you saying Dex for better ranged to-hit? Or are you a weapons finesse build? If you are a weapons finesse build, I'd agree with you that Dex comes first, but if you are a strength based TWF build, no way dex is first.

As an Elf ranger you will already have a +5 to dex from racial and class modifiers. With a str build line of:

18/16/14/8/8/8 on a 32 point build, with level ups into strength, +2 tomes only and +6 items only (no exceptionals) you will end up with 31/29/22/10/16/10. If you want more dex, I'd pull it from strength and go with a 17 starting strength before I would pull from the 14 con.

On a dex build, you could go: 14/20/14/8/8/8. WIth final stats of 22/38/22/10/16/10

But to give up 20 hp on the dex build for a class with no toughness enhancements and only 2 racial enhancements to HP to get a +1 to damage only (since to-hit comes from dex) seems to be a poor trade off, imo. Once again, pull from dex if you want more strength.

If more dex and 10 wisdom is your goal, i would look at a line of 16/18/14/8/10/8 which could work equally well as either an STR or DEX based melee. The only difference at that point would be where you put your level up points and your feat allocation.

If you didn't care about ranged at all and were only a tempest ranger, you could look at a line of 18/10/16/8/8/8 on a 32 point build. Your final stats would still be: 31/23/24/10/16/10. That dex is still right about where you need to be to max out the AC bonus for mith chain shirt and give a decent reflex save. For a non-ranged toon, thats about all you need to worry about.

Sorry. I disagree. I see no reason to not have at least a 14 con on an elf ranger.

[jkm]

I just bought an Anarchic Longbow of Greater Evil Outsider Bane ... I can't wait to level my AA up and buy some silver arrows, pop multishot, and maim harry with it ...

methinks you are missing something there.

[jkm]

i was expecting this thread from hordo, not stainer.

[stainer]

i was expecting this thread from hordo, not stainer.

I wouldn't have posted it at all but I was in a TOR last night on the Blue Dragon/Giant side. We had a Pew Pew Pew running all over the gold with the giant hot on his heels. It was a thing of beauty. People kept running out to try and damage the giant some and ding, ding, ding.

[Folonius]

Are you saying Dex for better ranged to-hit? Or are you a weapons finesse build?

Both. I use paralyzing/icy burst/maiming longbow most of the time. When I can't, I'll switch between TWF and ranged when multi shot is recharged.

[Rumbaar]

But I'll be ready to go in 20 seconds ... no need to swap out my bow.

[NaturalHazard]

I just bought an Anarchic Longbow of Greater Evil Outsider Bane ... I can't wait to level my AA up and buy some silver arrows, pop multishot, and maim harry with it ...

So anarchic silver by passes harrys dr? I brought a +3 silver anarchic burst rapier off the ah for like 5k plat. I asked on the advice channel and got told it has to be pure good or holy by everyone on there.
If it works then sweet it can go in the off hand to make a pair with the silver holyburst rapier and I can ditch the holysilver light pick.

Sorry for going off topic here.

[Visty]

So anarchic silver by passes harrys dr? I brought a +3 silver anarchic burst rapier off the ah for like 5k plat. I asked on the advice channel and got told it has to be pure good or holy by everyone on there.
If it works then sweet it can go in the off hand to make a pair with the silver holyburst rapier and I can ditch the holysilver light pick.

Sorry for going off topic here.

anarchic silver does nothing special to harry, you indeed need silver + good

but with greater bane its 6d6 per hit while holy is just 2d6...those 3d6 totally make off for the 15 lost dmg per hit

[k0ukla]

The funny thing is for years I have hated ranged characters. This is mostly due to my exposure to the pewpewpew mentality and poor gameplay of less skilled players but also because ranged sucked for years. /snip.

u know i had this same thing when i first started playing i hated rangers always pulling aggro and dying cuz they cant get away while the whole party is chasing em down to try n kill the monsters they cant and trying to keep them up as a cleric was a royal pita... i now have one... have never used a bow on it (except to hit the lever in VON5) and she is awesome

[donfilibuster]

What u all mean? hitting with the off hand?
I tought it was there as a replacement in case an owl bear eats off your arm.

[Aranticus]

I just bought an Anarchic Longbow of Greater Evil Outsider Bane ... I can't wait to level my AA up and buy some silver arrows, pop multishot, and maim harry with it ...

on normal yes. on hard or elite, you are better off with silver bow + silver arrows

[Folonius]

on normal yes. on hard or elite, you are better off with silver bow + silver arrows

Why? My AA is only level 12, so I'm not there yet. Why something redundant?

[NaturalHazard]

Why? My AA is only level 12, so I'm not there yet. Why something redundant?

Because his dr goes up with the difficulty setting. and the extra 3d6 from greater bane doesnt compensate.

+ the silver bow is 19-20 threat range and 1d10 and holy so its in no way redundant I still use it and cold iron arrows in dq1 and 2.

Thanks for the info guys, meh well I took a gamble 5k plat is pocket change, will have to stick to the holyburst silver light pick in the off hand.

[hydra_ex]

Why? My AA is only level 12, so I'm not there yet. Why something redundant?

Some monsters (most devils) have Dr/Good OR Silver. Harry (and Sulo) have Dr/Good AND Silver. You need both.

[Aranticus]

Why? My AA is only level 12, so I'm not there yet. Why something redundant?

your bow will not break DR of fiend. on average, the bow does 6d6 = +25 damage with the enhancements. DR on normal = 15, it means you have net +10 damage, silver bow is holy so on average it does +8 more damage. you do more damage with that weapon on normal than silver bow (without counting extra crit range)

on hard, DR is 30. 60 on elite. your weapon is next to useless on these difficulties