Rangers

[Aranticus]

Because his dr goes up with the difficulty setting. and the extra 3d6 from greater bane doesnt compensate.

+ the silver bow is keen and 1d10 so its in no way redundant I still use it and cold arrows in dq1/2.

Thanks for the info guys, meh well I took a gamble 5k plat is pocket change, will have to stick to the holyburst silver light pick in the off hand.

silver bow is NOT keen

[NeutronStar]

You get TWF feats for free. Try it occasionally.

xoxoxoxo,

stainer

Respect the time limit. That is the most important thing.

[noinfo]

silver bow is NOT keen

It has double the crit range which stacks with imp crit.

If you don't have imp crit, the a keen holyburst high + bow is better

[jkm]

Why? My AA is only level 12, so I'm not there yet. Why something redundant?

the silver bow is named after the silver flame, it doesn't automatically grant alchemical silver to arrows shot out of it. you have to have alchemical silver (or cold iron for demons) arrows in order to break silver and good damage reduction.

i've been surprised by how many people have asked that lately.

[NaturalHazard]

silver bow is NOT keen

no its not keen its threat range is 19 and unlike keen it stacks with improved crit ranged right? 17-20?

[Aranticus]

no its not keen its threat range is 19 and unlike keen it stacks with improved crit ranged right? 17-20?

pass!

[Ystradmynach]

I don't know why there is so much AA hatred. So far I have only encountered one AA who was so bad the quest would have been better off without them in it. In comparison, I've encountered far more players of other classes that were not only bad, but jeopardized the very quest by their presence.

Like barbarians who bring back all the monster's aggro before dying, wizards/sorcerers who use firewall in inappropriate places (such as faithfully departed or on iron golems), rogues who we find out too late can't do traps or clerics who don't heal. Really a ranger's job is mostly dps and occasionally throwing out some buffs, so in most quests what a ranger does shouldn't make the difference between success and failure anyway, not as much as having a poor player in other roles.

As for my AA ranger, I've yet to be disappointed by my dps. Most of the quests I've been in have my kill count somewhere in the middle (and I'm more likely to be at top of the kill count than at the bottom), even when healers are excluded, and I use my bow about 80% of the time. While I know kill count isn't the most accurate representation of damage contribution, it still gives a rough indication whether someone is contributing or not.

As for kiting, I do so when I feel it is appropriate, and I have yet to hear anyone complain about it (whether appropriate depends on manyshot status, presence of traps/firewall/bb, my health, position and status of party, etc). And I don't die very often either, even with a 12 starting Con (some of us don't have 32 point builds).

[Aranticus]

I don't know why there is so much AA hatred. So far I have only encountered one AA who was so bad the quest would have been better off without them in it. In comparison, I've encountered far more players of other classes that were not only bad, but jeopardized the very quest by their presence.

Like barbarians who bring back all the monster's aggro before dying, wizards/sorcerers who use firewall in inappropriate places (such as faithfully departed or on iron golems), rogues who we find out too late can't do traps or clerics who don't heal. Really a ranger's job is mostly dps and occasionally throwing out some buffs, so in most quests what a ranger does shouldn't make the difference between success and failure anyway, not as much as having a poor player in other roles.

As for my AA ranger, I've yet to be disappointed by my dps. Most of the quests I've been in have my kill count somewhere in the middle (and I'm more likely to be at top of the kill count than at the bottom), even when healers are excluded, and I use my bow about 80% of the time. While I know kill count isn't the most accurate representation of damage contribution, it still gives a rough indication whether someone is contributing or not.

As for kiting, I do so when I feel it is appropriate, and I have yet to hear anyone complain about it (whether appropriate depends on manyshot status, presence of traps/firewall/bb, my health, position and status of party, etc). And I don't die very often either, even with a 12 starting Con (some of us don't have 32 point builds).

i've seen more AA kiting in almost any quest/raid than any of those situations you described by a factor of 1000 : 1

[NaturalHazard]

pass!

sorry i get mixed up sometimes.
But yeah i dont kite i play a tempest but if the situation for it is good i do pull out the bow and hit manyshot esp if i get things all lined up and they can be paralyzled.

[Mercureal]

anarchic silver does nothing special to harry, you indeed need silver + good

but with greater bane its 6d6 per hit while holy is just 2d6...those 3d6 totally make off for the 15 lost dmg per hit

Not trying to be pedantic, but I believe it's 5d6 and then a 1d8 plus Str and other bonuses: 2d6 Anarchic and 3d6 Grt Bane, and then 1d8 for Longbow. The 3d6 itself doesn't compensate for the DR, since on average it only amounts to an extra 10.5, though added to the anarchic damage it nets a few points of damage total over the loss to DR. I think a basic holy bow with silver arrows would still do a bit more average damage, though.

/Nerdlinger threadjack off.

[Mithran]

Pewpewpew: "Pewpewpew."
Mormegil: "You're running the wrong way."
Pewpewpew: "There isn't really a wrong way."
Mormegil: "Away from the Party is the wrong way."

[Mercureal]

Pewpewpew: "The party isn't here to fight mobs, they're just here to res me when I get killed."

[Aranticus]

Pewpewpew: "The party isn't here to fight mobs, they're just here to res me when I get killed."

divine caster: my sp is for me to cast bb to kill the stuff you cant kill. go buy a cake and rez yourself!

[JDCrowell]

Wow...I remember when I first started playing this game. I nearly got sucked into playing a ranged character. HAHA

Was on Korthos and was really liking using a bow to attack those guys at a distance, but was always wondering: Why in the heck are those other archers hitting me so much faster?!
Thought it would be cool if I could do that so I gave it a try.....
I ALMOST got sucked down the wrong path....very glad I chose Tempest instead of AA

Unless I'm in a raid, I never join a PUG that already has a Ranger in it.
When I see that much kiting, it's my cue to go grab a bite to eat and hope I hear a *DING* while in the kitchen. Then I can clean up the mess...HAHA

[Ystradmynach]

Unless I'm in a raid, I never join a PUG that already has a Ranger in it.
When I see that much kiting, it's my cue to go grab a bite to eat and hope I hear a *DING* while in the kitchen. Then I can clean up the mess...HAHA

Your loss I guess. I just did all five vale quests with a group the other night that including myself had:
two AA rangers, one tempest, one weird monk 6/favored soul 8/fighter 2 multiclass, a cleric and a sorcerer. Things actually went smoother than other parties I had done vale quests with, most notably a party member remarked that it was the only time they had done "Let Sleeping Dust Lie" where no spiders had died during the quest.

Anyway, player skill and even equipment always trumps class and PrE, meaning you should usually be on the lookout for bad players, not bad classes (there might be exceptions of course, I'd be hesistant to group with a wizard 9/sorcerer 11 for example, but rarely do you come across something that nonsensical).

[JDCrowell]

Your loss I guess. I just did all five vale quests with a group the other night that including myself had:
two AA rangers, one tempest, one weird monk 6/favored soul 8/fighter 2 multiclass, a cleric and a sorcerer. Things actually went smoother than other parties I had done vale quests with, most notably a party member remarked that it was the only time they had done "Let Sleeping Dust Lie" where no spiders had died during the quest.

Anyway, player skill and even equipment always trumps class and PrE, meaning you should usually be on the lookout for bad players, not bad classes (there might be exceptions of course, I'd be hesistant to group with a wizard 9/sorcerer 11 for example, but rarely do you come across something that nonsensical).

Good point...
My normal guild group consists of 2 other Rangers...an AA and another..."I don't know what he wants to be" Ranger....good players...all have different play styles and we tend to make an odd group anyways. Usually 3 Rangers 1 Pally, a Rogue and a Cleric. Makes for some fun times..but they know what they are doing and if they don't, they only mess up once.
Just have had bad luck trusting other Rangers in PUGS when I already account for 1...just have had some bad experiences

[Aranticus]

Your loss I guess. I just did all five vale quests with a group the other night that including myself had:
two AA rangers, one tempest, one weird monk 6/favored soul 8/fighter 2 multiclass, a cleric and a sorcerer. Things actually went smoother than other parties I had done vale quests with, most notably a party member remarked that it was the only time they had done "Let Sleeping Dust Lie" where no spiders had died during the quest.

Anyway, player skill and even equipment always trumps class and PrE, meaning you should usually be on the lookout for bad players, not bad classes (there might be exceptions of course, I'd be hesistant to group with a wizard 9/sorcerer 11 for example, but rarely do you come across something that nonsensical).

the only reason rangers were good in that quest is due to precise shot and melees without sufficiently high ac to avoid the attacks. my monk could solo dust. my wiz could do it in 1/2 amount of time

a good player that goes pew pew pew 100% of the time is an oxymoron

[phalaeo]

Just remember, Argo had pewpewpews first!!!!!
*crickets*







Oh, wait- NVM, I did that wrong.

[JDCrowell]

the only reason rangers were good in that quest is due to precise shot and melees without sufficiently high ac to avoid the attacks. my monk could solo dust. my wiz could do it in 1/2 amount of time

a good player that goes pew pew pew 100% of the time is an oxymoron

Yea that reminds me.....when I ran that quest, it was a PUG and only 1 spider died. It got a lil crazy at the boss fight. Was chasing him around waiting to strike so I didn't accidentally hit a spider until I remembered I was actually a Ranger...pulled out my Bow and took him out pretty quickly thanks to Many Shot. LOL
I have all my Khopesh weapon sets on one Hot Bar with 1 bow at the end....I sometimes forget that I can use it effectively.

[Slink]

a good player that goes pew pew pew 100% of the time is a moron

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