Nerf "Pale Lavender Ioun Stone"!!!

[TheDearLeader]

But I saw you there a bit before I got off and made this post..

I'm the one who stunned/danced you for no reason and then ran around.

How come you can PvP but tell me not to?

Yeah, I hop in the arena from time to time, normally right before I log in/off, or when there's just nothing going on.

Thing is, I could care less if I kill or be killed. Its just fun to see what happens when I hop down. I don't even wear a Mantle, because its more fun this way.

I understand that PvP is much more important to you than 80% of the DDO customer base. But please don't ask them to adjust equipment based on a combat system that was added into the game as an "afterthought" to appeal to the Asian market.

Maybe they could code something in that makes spell absorption items "inert/disjoined" inside the Tavern Brawl. I could stand behind that. But not actually changing the item's attributes.

[Chai]

You need to stop flaming because you're forced to sit on the ledge, k? Make a caster.

And you need to stop asking for nerfs because someone figured out a way to beat you, k? Make a ranger.

[bendover]

I actually win most of the time, even against silly bow users like yourself.

The only issue now is anyone with 6ranger is able to last well long enough against my spells to make me incapable of even casting anymore.

You need to stop flaming because you're forced to sit on the ledge, k? Make a caster.

Forced to sit on the ledge, because unlike you I have things to do. You still haven't gotten the point from this thread and previous ones that you're a tool and no one likes you?

[h4x0r1f1c]

Here's a breakdown of why the stone should be nerfed for PvP.

40 charges. Recharged 3 per day (according to ddowiki).

In a tavern it's always gaining charges. When they drop I have to Magic Missile and their Mantle of the Worldshaper loses charges. That's spell 1.

Then I have to hit them with enough spells (the level of the spells got to add up to 40) so I could throw Meteor Swarm, a lvl 9 spell I guess. As a sorcerer with Quicken on that will only do 3 meteors. (it does 4 with Quicken off, another bug they gotta' fix like Frost Lance only shooting 2 rays instead of 3)

Anyway 3*9= 27. If I can Magic Missile and then hit the ranger with a full Meteor Swarm two times, and I'm near them, I can Dance them.

If I'm not near them I gotta' hurt them to stun them. Remember they're hopping and running around this whole time hitting me with STR damage.

The odds are very much against me. ESPECIALLY when 1/5th of their shots are able to proc a Slayer Arrow.

[heyytoi]

Here's a breakdown of why the stone should be nerfed for PvP.

40 charges. Recharged 3 per day (according to ddowiki).

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The odds are very much against me. ESPECIALLY when 1/5th of their shots are able to proc a Slayer Arrow.

anf if you need dance/PWS/FTS you have no skill, go do something else than pvp if you get all ****ed off when you die

[bendover]

anf if you need dance/PWS/FTS you have no skill, go do soemthing else than pvp if you get all ****ed off when you die

That's how he has to kill melees. It's pretty sad.

[elujin]

and when they nerf the stone and you beat the ranger you have accomplished .... ?

right nothing plz don't wast the devs time

[Orratti]

Wrong! You use a STR damage bow and Manyshot making -4 STR per hit which against my 16 STR means 4 hits and you got me unable to heal or fight back.

Not only that you just came in with a Pale Lavender Ioun Stone and I hit you with Magic Missile twice and I was unable to harm you.

The stone needs fixed or disabled in PvP because it is most definitely not fair. I'm willing to let any dev watch me fight against the same rangers without the stone and then let them watch me fight them with it.

It literally makes them almost invincible. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't seen it yet.

You take damage while blocking and have to heal.

When I Reconstruct, I take STR damage.

Before Manyshot is up I can't cast.

I've owned Intervention many times before and he's even tried killing me with an Epic Thornlord and Manyshot and couldn't outdps my heals he needs to use STR damage.

Trust me I know what I'm talking about I've been PvPing for a good while. This stone totally makes it unfair hands down. It puts way too much inulnerability into anyone with 6 levels of ranger.

It sounds like your enemy has adapted and overcome. A shield clicky will make your magic missile worthless so get used to that. With all of the cheap tricks a caster has at his disposal being vulnerable to another's cheap tricks is exactly what does make it fair. Making the mistake of thinking that there is skill involved in pvp is where the problem is. It is all a matter of finding the right cheap tricks to use against your opponents. There aren't any fair fights. When you actually do get into a fair fight it is usually cut short by someone else's interference.

Being able to decimate all in pvp simply means that you have unfair advantages over your opponents. There are skilled pvpers and there are some that simply think they are skilled. There are pvpers that have honor and those who just want to kill or annoy the defenseless. You can tell the difference. Those with honor will search out a fair fight and won't kill, disable, or bother the rest. I believe both you and your opponent to be the latter. Then again your opponent could just be returning to you the cheap shots that you are using on everyone else. If it were any other situation than that you would work out a truce or agreement and not be coming to the forums to complain.

[bendover]

It sounds like your enemy has adapted and overcome. A shield clicky will make your magic missile worthless so get used to that. With all of the cheap tricks a caster has at his disposal being vulnerable to another's cheap tricks is exactly what does make it fair. Making the mistake of thinking that there is skill involved in pvp is where the problem is. It is all a matter of finding the right cheap tricks to use against your opponents. There aren't any fair fights. When you actually do get into a fair fight it is usually cut short by someone else's interference.

Being able to decimate all in pvp simply means that you have unfair advantages over your opponents. There are skilled pvpers and there are some that simply think they are skilled. There are pvpers that have honor and those who just want to kill or annoy the defenseless. You can tell the difference. Those with honor will search out a fair fight and won't kill, disable, or bother the rest. I believe both you and your opponent to be the latter. Then again your opponent could just be returning to you the cheap shots that you are using on everyone else. If it were any other situation than that you would work out a truce or agreement and not be coming to the forums to complain.

Naw I'm not the person he's crying about. He's just a baby and can't handle losing to PvP it's just humorous to egg him on.

[Chai]

You're all wrong. PvP is life and if you fail at it then that's bad.

PvP haters argue in chat or on the forums; I argue with the colorful pixels on my hotbar.

In this game you are incorrect. Welcome to Dungeons and Dragons.

If you want " PvP is life' as your motto, WOW is a great game for sterile balanced cookie cutter PVP you are trying to say needs to happen here.

Or get on one of the Zek servers in EQ.

[Oolung]

Here's a breakdown of why the stone should be nerfed for PvP.

40 charges. Recharged 3 per day (according to ddowiki).

In a tavern it's always gaining charges. When they drop I have to Magic Missile and their Mantle of the Worldshaper loses charges. That's spell 1.

Then I have to hit them with enough spells (the level of the spells got to add up to 40) so I could throw Meteor Swarm, a lvl 9 spell I guess. As a sorcerer with Quicken on that will only do 3 meteors. (it does 4 with Quicken off, another bug they gotta' fix like Frost Lance only shooting 2 rays instead of 3)

Anyway 3*9= 27. If I can Magic Missile and then hit the ranger with a full Meteor Swarm two times, and I'm near them, I can Dance them.

If I'm not near them I gotta' hurt them to stun them. Remember they're hopping and running around this whole time hitting me with STR damage.

The odds are very much against me. ESPECIALLY when 1/5th of their shots are able to proc a Slayer Arrow.

Did you even read my post? I said that if you block, niether STR damage nor slayer damage hits you, and then most of your damage can be mitigated via DR ( with the multitude of numbers he gives you, with 4 arrows, you have the same chance of a Docent of Defiance effect proc'in that he has of slayer arrows proc'in. Except you aren't harmed by slayer arrows since you would be blocking. this DR20/- + blocking immunities grants you near invunerability while blocking, and by timing casting to be when he is reloading, you will not hardly be harmed if timed right.

There are also shields that give 0% ASF (skyvault shield, Epic dwarven Warding shield w/ ASF augment)

You see, he got an edge from grinding out to make this item, but you can beat him, it just takes a little grinding.

He adapted to be resistant to your main method of attacks. He adapted and he lived. If you want to beat him, you must adapt yourself. Since you haven't, you die. Repeditively. Crying for nerfs is not adapting, its wanting to stop changes that can't be stopped. Both the DDO world and the real life world evolve. To survive, you must adapt to lessen any weakness of yours that is made as the game evolves, whether this adaption be as minor as changing tactics, or as major as a reincanation, there must be some adaptation. Get used to it. Changes happen. Don't gripe, just learn and strenghten.

[Chai]

It sounds like your enemy has adapted and overcome. A shield clicky will make your magic missile worthless so get used to that. With all of the cheap tricks a caster has at his disposal being vulnerable to another's cheap tricks is exactly what does make it fair. Making the mistake of thinking that there is skill involved in pvp is where the problem is. It is all a matter of finding the right cheap tricks to use against your opponents. There aren't any fair fights. When you actually do get into a fair fight it is usually cut short by someone else's interference.

Being able to decimate all in pvp simply means that you have unfair advantages over your opponents. There are skilled pvpers and there are some that simply think they are skilled. There are pvpers that have honor and those who just want to kill or annoy the defenseless. You can tell the difference. Those with honor will search out a fair fight and won't kill, disable, or bother the rest. I believe both you and your opponent to be the latter. Then again your opponent could just be returning to you the cheap shots that you are using on everyone else. If it were any other situation than that you would work out a truce or agreement and not be coming to the forums to complain.

Yeap, its more like a game of poker or chess, more strategy than skill.

I see your magic missile / meteor swarm, and raise you one shield spell and an ioun stone. I think youre bluffing good sir...

[h4x0r1f1c]

Did you even read my post? I said that if you block, niether STR damage nor slayer damage hits you, and then most of your damage can be mitigated via DR ( with the multitude of numbers he gives you, with 4 arrows, you have the same chance of a Docent of Defiance effect proc'in that he has of slayer arrows proc'in. Except you aren't harmed by slayer arrows since you would be blocking. this DR20/- + blocking immunities grants you near invunerability while blocking, and by timing casting to be when he is reloading, you will not hardly be harmed if timed right.

There are also shields that give 0% ASF (skyvault shield, Epic dwarven Warding shield w/ ASF augment or vampric gloves)

You see, he got an edge from grinding out to make this item, but you can beat him, it just takes a little grinding.

He adapted to be resistant to your main method of attacks. He adapted and he lived. If you want to beat him, you must adapt yourself. Since you haven't, you die. Repeditively. Crying for nerfs is not adapting, its wanting to stop changes that can't be stopped. Both the DDO world and the real life world evolve. To survive, you must adapt to lessen any weakness of yours that is made as the game evolves, whether this adaption be as minor as changing tactics, or as major as a reincanation, there must be some adaptation. Get used to it. Changes happen. Don't gripe, just learn and strenghten.

Let's see you try it. Reloading? What? They don't reload they keep on shootin'.

Also even if you block when you cast to reconstruct yourself (since they're still hurting you) ya' take STR damage or Slayer Arrows might proc then. Trust me dude I know.

How do you adapt against a Pale Lavender Ioun Stone?

I managed to get him but when he dropped I had to Magic Missile and my friend used Force Missiles on him with me and we sucked up the charges and I was able to land Dance on him and we killed him.

But my adapting came from having to use a friend! I don't want to ever resort to that.

Also don't say I have cheap tricks for Dancing him when he's using STR damage which prevents me from being able to fight back. If he wants to fight me no stat damage just damage vs damage I'll do it.

All I gotta' do is outheal his Manyshot then when he's done MM his mantle and 1shot him with Scorching Ray anyway.

[bendover]

Let's see you try it. Reloading? What? They don't reload they keep on shootin'.

Also even if you block when you cast to reconstruct yourself (since they're still hurting you) ya' take STR damage or Slayer Arrows might proc then. Trust me dude I know.

How do you adapt against a Pale Lavender Ioun Stone?

I managed to get him but when he dropped I had to Magic Missile and my friend used Force Missiles on him with me and we sucked up the charges and I was able to land Dance on him and we killed him.

But my adapting came from having to use a friend! I don't want to ever resort to that.

Also don't say I have cheap tricks for Dancing him when he's using STR damage which prevents me from being able to fight back. If he wants to fight me no stat damage just damage vs damage I'll do it.

All I gotta' do is outheal his Manyshot then when he's done MM his mantle and 1shot him with Scorching Ray anyway.

You just admitted to having help by a SECOND caster to take down some Arcane Archer. Hope that feels like an accomplishment.

[h4x0r1f1c]

You just admitted to having help by a SECOND caster to take down some Arcane Archer. Hope that feels like an accomplishment.

I'm the one who killed you. I merely had him assist in draining your stupid item they really gotta' consider nerfing.

Now, a lot of people hate PvP and could "care less", but they hate PvP so much that they'll waste their "valuable" time to talk about how I waste mine in PvP and how they devs shouldn't fix this.

Well, if there's more balance in PvP it couldn't hurt. At least true skill would show then. Plus you'll see less threads about it. Anyway, the stone obviously gives a huge advantage and it's not fair whatsoever to anyone except other rangers.

A good melee would die to a good ranger. A good ranger vs a good ranger is a trade off. A good caster vs a good ranger should be a trade off, but not with that stone..

[dredre9987]

[bendover]

I'm the one who killed you. I merely had him assist in draining your stupid item they really gotta' consider nerfing.

Now, a lot of people hate PvP and could "care less", but they hate PvP so much that they'll waste their "valuable" time to talk about how I waste mine in PvP and how they devs shouldn't fix this.

Well, if there's more balance in PvP it couldn't hurt. At least true skill would show then. Plus you'll see less threads about it. Anyway, the stone obviously gives a huge advantage and it's not fair whatsoever to anyone except other rangers.

A good melee would die to a good ranger. A good ranger vs a good ranger is a trade off. A good caster vs a good ranger should be a trade off, but not with that stone..

I've rest my case with you. You're a failure and everyone on the server knows it that's why you can't leave the lobster. But on a side note, enjoy your weekend off from school PvP'ing

[incineration]

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[Orratti]

Let's see you try it. Reloading? What? They don't reload they keep on shootin'.

Also even if you block when you cast to reconstruct yourself (since they're still hurting you) ya' take STR damage or Slayer Arrows might proc then. Trust me dude I know.

How do you adapt against a Pale Lavender Ioun Stone?

I managed to get him but when he dropped I had to Magic Missile and my friend used Force Missiles on him with me and we sucked up the charges and I was able to land Dance on him and we killed him.

But my adapting came from having to use a friend! I don't want to ever resort to that.

Also don't say I have cheap tricks for Dancing him when he's using STR damage which prevents me from being able to fight back. If he wants to fight me no stat damage just damage vs damage I'll do it.

All I gotta' do is outheal his Manyshot then when he's done MM his mantle and 1shot him with Scorching Ray anyway.

In other words if he wants to fight me in a situation where I have the advantage of being able to out damage and out heal him I'll do it!

[incineration]

I'm the one who killed you. I merely had him assist in draining your stupid item they really gotta' consider nerfing.

Now, a lot of people hate PvP and could "care less", but they hate PvP so much that they'll waste their "valuable" time to talk about how I waste mine in PvP and how they devs shouldn't fix this.

Well, if there's more balance in PvP it couldn't hurt. At least true skill would show then. Plus you'll see less threads about it. Anyway, the stone obviously gives a huge advantage and it's not fair whatsoever to anyone except other rangers.

A good melee would die to a good ranger. A good ranger vs a good ranger is a trade off. A good caster vs a good ranger should be a trade off, but not with that stone..

nerfing an item to give you a major advantage is NOT causing balence, in fact they should make it regen 25 charges per rest to balence it more in this aspect AND in PvE