Does mass hold monster work in epic?

[fugazi70]

I tried mass suggestion and it works but the thing only lasts like 10 secs or so

Was wondering if mass hold monster has a longer duration

[Demsac]

Depends on your dc and if the mob saves on it..Mass hold + dreamspitter helps to keep the hold on longer..

[Vellrad]

Epic mobs got epic wards
Epic ward drasticly shortens your charms' durations

But MHM is best arcane spell in epic (at least most of em)

[Heronous]

Yes.

MHM is great in epics. Make sure you have a good DC for it though. Dreamspitter or Eardweller are good ways to boost your enchantment DC.

[Vellrad]

And by the way, what is resonable DC for epics?
I got DC36 on MHM, mostly mobs fails their saves, but many still breaks free really fast or saves.

[Goldeneye]

Mass Hold Monster is absolutely amazing.
Once your caster gets a nice high DC, it's incredible!
Stock up on melees, and blow through trash mobs!

DC 35 seems to be around the magic number for effectiveness... though it varies on each type of mob.

[Alternative]

You shouldn't be concerned about duration of mass hold, but whether it lands or not. Held monster is in auto-crit state and melees should take it down quickly. If you hold more than one mob run up and start swinging your dreamspitter at whichever mob is not being attacked by melees, that way you will give it some neg levels and hopefuly prolong the held state. 36DC is not bad if you use mass hold against low will mobs - ogres, archers, anything non magical or caster. Against caster types use flesh to stone, also gives auto-crits and works nicely against casters, efreeti and demons, and thaarak hounds iirc.

[protokon]

crushing despair + mass hold monster = win (especially on a wizard with good spell pen)

it makes those really long, tough ones a cakewalk such as DQ1 epic and chains of flame epic. combine that with a good stunning-specced monk or two (or barbarian) to get those that save and it makes it almost too easy.

[Merlocke]

crushing despair + mass hold monster = win

never though about that combo. might have to pick it up since its one of the only remaining debuffs that works on trash and raid bosses.