WF health point bar color

[lhidda]

Hello.

I am very sorry not to have the time to check whether this is already discussed or not.

I propose that the WF health-point bar color of WF should have a slightly different color from the fleshis so that the healing/repairing people know how to heal people efficiently.

The problem is that Wiz and Sorc often dont feel responsible to repair WF, which drains the SP of healers until they have no mana.

I also propose to show negative effects (like poison/curses/neg levels etc. ) with icons in the health bar (c.f. Guild Wars) so people immediately know what to remove or not.

Thx for attention,

lhidda

[Falco_Easts]

Hello.

I am very sorry not to have the time to check whether this is already discussed or not.

I propose that the WF health-point bar color of WF should have a slightly different color from the fleshis so that the healing/repairing people know how to heal people efficiently.

The problem is that Wiz and Sorc often dont feel responsible to repair WF, which drains the SP of healers until they have no mana.

I also propose to show negative effects (like poison/curses/neg levels etc. ) with icons in the health bar (c.f. Guild Wars) so people immediately know what to remove or not.

Thx for attention,

lhidda

I understand where you are coming from but no.
If arcanes want to heal WF, standing next to a 7 foot high hunk of wood and metal and the quest entrance should be enough of an indicator that there is one in the party. if they are not healing, chances are they just don't want to. When I play casters, I generally don't want to play healer.

I like the idea of little symbols next to the names in the party but would rather you just chug a pot yourself rather then waiting for the nannybot.

[Wizzly_Bear]

Hello.

I am very sorry not to have the time to check whether this is already discussed or not.

I propose that the WF health-point bar color of WF should have a slightly different color from the fleshis so that the healing/repairing people know how to heal people efficiently.

The problem is that Wiz and Sorc often dont feel responsible to repair WF, which drains the SP of healers until they have no mana.

I also propose to show negative effects (like poison/curses/neg levels etc. ) with icons in the health bar (c.f. Guild Wars) so people immediately know what to remove or not.

Thx for attention,

lhidda

All of this information can easily be acquired by occasionally glancing at your teammates.

[phalaeo]

Yes, all the info can be gleamed by glancing at teammates waiting at the door.... *IF* everyone waited at the door at the start of a quest.

I say...
/signed

Do you think I have time to look up during a pug raid with 12 ppl in it and try to discern the two WF out of a whole mess of swinging mobs? It wouldn't hurt anything to have a different colour, so why the hate?

[Wizzly_Bear]

Yes, all the info can be gleamed by glancing at teammates waiting at the door.... *IF* everyone waited at the door at the start of a quest.

I say...
/signed

Do you think I have time to look up during a pug raid with 12 ppl in it and try to discern the two WF out of a whole mess of swinging mobs? It wouldn't hurt anything to have a different colour, so why the hate?

What raid does it matter what the race is? Once healers have Heal it makes little difference.

Also, what raid does the party not gather up for at least once where you can see everyone?

Also, what raid is there not someone calling the shots and making a battle plan?

[Memnir]

No to changing WF health bars.
Yes to changing Pale Masters in Undead form health bars.

[Wizzly_Bear]

No to changing WF health bars.
Yes to changing Pale Masters in Undead form health bars.

Yes.

[lhidda]

What raid does it matter what the race is? Once healers have Heal it makes little difference.

Also, what raid does the party not gather up for at least once where you can see everyone?

Also, what raid is there not someone calling the shots and making a battle plan?

VOD.

Cursed WF cannot be healed, but repaired.
Cursed people cannot healed.
People still dont take curse pots if they dont feel like.

So, colors and icons would be a big improvement for people who heal and repair. It is sometimes really hard to see who has curse or not in the crowd. 5 people saying "curse" in voice chat dont help at all.

Thankx for kind interest,
lhidda

[Wizzly_Bear]

VOD.

Cursed WF cannot be healed, but repaired.
Cursed people cannot healed.
People still dont take curse pots if they dont feel like.

So, colors and icons would be a big improvement for people who heal and repair. It is sometimes really hard to see who has curse or not in the crowd. 5 people saying "curse" in voice chat dont help at all.

Thankx for kind interest,
lhidda

Why aren't they drinking curse pots?

[baddax]

/signed.
I like the idea of being able to tell wf and or cursed party members in a party quickly without having to think and remember who was who, when seconds matter. Maybe even make it a player preference so healers can assign healing duties via color if the party is split up.

[lhidda]

Why aren't they drinking curse pots?

thats still the same issue as wiz/sorc which dont repair.
They think it is not their responsibility to repair/take curse pots.
12 people in a group = 12 personal realities how to solve a quest (some of em feel responsible to remove their own curses and some are not).

Since the whole group benefits from sorcs/wiz that repair (especially in low and mid lvl quests) when i play my wiz i feel responsible to repair WF.

thx for interst,
lhidda

[Wizzly_Bear]

thats still the same issue as wiz/sorc which dont repair.
They think it is not their responsibility to repair/take curse pots.
12 people in a group = 12 personal realities how to solve a quest (some of em feel responsible to remove their own curses and some are not).

Since the whole group benefits from sorcs/wiz that repair (especially in low and mid lvl quests) when i play my wiz i feel responsible to repair WF.

thx for interst,
lhidda

Sounds like you're running with the wrong people.

[lhidda]

Sounds like you're running with the wrong people.

This is concerning groups with random peoples. Sometimes you are lucky to have experienced people with you, sometime you have many firsttimers. You have to deal with both, since sometimes even experienced people play arrogant and egoistic.

When running with my guildies i wont need colored health bars and icons.

Regards

[Beherit_Baphomar]

I propose we change the gimptastic cleric/fvs icon when they find WF to be a drain on their mana. The game should detect the whining through mic or party chat and change their icon to a sad face.

No to the OPs suggestion, yes to Mems suggestion.

[phalaeo]

I propose we change the gimptastic cleric/fvs icon when they find WF to be a drain on their mana. The game should detect the whining through mic or party chat and change their icon to a sad face.

No to the OPs suggestion, yes to Mems suggestion.

What the...?

It's not a matter of gimptastic, it's a matter of convenience.
What seems to be the problem here?

This is actually a means for me to more efficiently heal WF, not a means for me to NOT heal them. Guess what? I do use Mass Heal in Raids, but sometimes it's appropriate to throw in a mass cure because it's on alternate timer. There is a "creep" factor when you have to do this and occassionally, a WF needs to catch a single target Heal to be kept in a safe HP range- I'd like a visual flag to remind me who these players are in the heat of raid healing.

It's not a huge deal to have it the way it is now, so I'm not "pushing hard" for a change... I just think that a change would be convenient and I'm confused as to where the backlash is coming from.

[Wizzly_Bear]

What the...?

It's not a matter of gimptastic, it's a matter of convenience.
What seems to be the problem here?

This is actually a means for me to more efficiently heal WF, not a means for me to NOT heal them. Guess what? I do use Mass Heal in Raids, but sometimes it's appropriate to throw in a mass cure because it's on alternate timer. There is a "creep" factor when you have to do this and occassionally, a WF needs to catch a single target Heal to be kept in a safe HP range- I'd like a visual flag to remind me who these players are in the heat of raid healing.

It's not a huge deal to have it the way it is now, so I'm not "pushing hard" for a change... I just think that a change would be convenient and I'm confused as to where the backlash is coming from.

If their health is low...guess what? Their health is low. Their race is irrelevant as to whether or not they need a heal.

[Spookyaction]

It would be nice also if there was an indication of when a wf was bladesworn so you know not to wast sp on them. Hmm at lower levels theres usually only 6 people in party, it shouldnt be too hard to track the wf, is it ? And as was suggested already, later on when you have heal it really should not be a problem keep wf up. If you are going to do a quest and the melee dont remove their curses they die and its not the healers fault period ...

[lhidda]

If their health is low...guess what? Their health is low. Their race is irrelevant as to whether or not they need a heal.

Since there are differences between WF and other races, which are: WF can be repaired, and get less healing effect, race is NOT irrelevant.

[lhidda]

I propose we change the gimptastic cleric/fvs icon when they find WF to be a drain on their mana. The game should detect the whining through mic or party chat and change their icon to a sad face.

No to the OPs suggestion, yes to Mems suggestion.

Since races and classes have different behaviour in gameplay, knowing and dealing with these effects can maximize the groups capability to solve hard quests, which means: ignoring them is suboptimal. Yes, there are quests where several effects can be ignored cuz they are so easy, but there are still groups and quests where smart mana management helps the whole group. Luckily some healers will take some mana pots, but if not the whole group splits and all blame the cleric/healers, whichs fault it is not!

My experience as wizard is that sometimes it is better to repair the WF melees rather than doing some neclegtible damage on some monster which are not effective hit by arcane spells.

thx for interest,
lhidda

[lhidda]

BTW, i propose the WF hp-bar color to be a mixture between black(oil) and red(blood), since they are organic/anorganic hybrids.