WF health point bar color

[lhidda]

Hello.

I am very sorry not to have the time to check whether this is already discussed or not.

I propose that the WF health-point bar color of WF should have a slightly different color from the fleshis so that the healing/repairing people know how to heal people efficiently.

The problem is that Wiz and Sorc often dont feel responsible to repair WF, which drains the SP of healers until they have no mana.

I also propose to show negative effects (like poison/curses/neg levels etc. ) with icons in the health bar (c.f. Guild Wars) so people immediately know what to remove or not.

Thx for attention,

lhidda

[Falco_Easts]

Hello.

I am very sorry not to have the time to check whether this is already discussed or not.

I propose that the WF health-point bar color of WF should have a slightly different color from the fleshis so that the healing/repairing people know how to heal people efficiently.

The problem is that Wiz and Sorc often dont feel responsible to repair WF, which drains the SP of healers until they have no mana.

I also propose to show negative effects (like poison/curses/neg levels etc. ) with icons in the health bar (c.f. Guild Wars) so people immediately know what to remove or not.

Thx for attention,

lhidda

I understand where you are coming from but no.
If arcanes want to heal WF, standing next to a 7 foot high hunk of wood and metal and the quest entrance should be enough of an indicator that there is one in the party. if they are not healing, chances are they just don't want to. When I play casters, I generally don't want to play healer.

I like the idea of little symbols next to the names in the party but would rather you just chug a pot yourself rather then waiting for the nannybot.

[Wizzly_Bear]

Hello.

I am very sorry not to have the time to check whether this is already discussed or not.

I propose that the WF health-point bar color of WF should have a slightly different color from the fleshis so that the healing/repairing people know how to heal people efficiently.

The problem is that Wiz and Sorc often dont feel responsible to repair WF, which drains the SP of healers until they have no mana.

I also propose to show negative effects (like poison/curses/neg levels etc. ) with icons in the health bar (c.f. Guild Wars) so people immediately know what to remove or not.

Thx for attention,

lhidda

All of this information can easily be acquired by occasionally glancing at your teammates.

[phalaeo]

Yes, all the info can be gleamed by glancing at teammates waiting at the door.... *IF* everyone waited at the door at the start of a quest.

I say...
/signed

Do you think I have time to look up during a pug raid with 12 ppl in it and try to discern the two WF out of a whole mess of swinging mobs? It wouldn't hurt anything to have a different colour, so why the hate?

[Wizzly_Bear]

Yes, all the info can be gleamed by glancing at teammates waiting at the door.... *IF* everyone waited at the door at the start of a quest.

I say...
/signed

Do you think I have time to look up during a pug raid with 12 ppl in it and try to discern the two WF out of a whole mess of swinging mobs? It wouldn't hurt anything to have a different colour, so why the hate?

What raid does it matter what the race is? Once healers have Heal it makes little difference.

Also, what raid does the party not gather up for at least once where you can see everyone?

Also, what raid is there not someone calling the shots and making a battle plan?

[Memnir]

No to changing WF health bars.
Yes to changing Pale Masters in Undead form health bars.

[Wizzly_Bear]

No to changing WF health bars.
Yes to changing Pale Masters in Undead form health bars.

Yes.

[lhidda]

What raid does it matter what the race is? Once healers have Heal it makes little difference.

Also, what raid does the party not gather up for at least once where you can see everyone?

Also, what raid is there not someone calling the shots and making a battle plan?

VOD.

Cursed WF cannot be healed, but repaired.
Cursed people cannot healed.
People still dont take curse pots if they dont feel like.

So, colors and icons would be a big improvement for people who heal and repair. It is sometimes really hard to see who has curse or not in the crowd. 5 people saying "curse" in voice chat dont help at all.

Thankx for kind interest,
lhidda

[Wizzly_Bear]

VOD.

Cursed WF cannot be healed, but repaired.
Cursed people cannot healed.
People still dont take curse pots if they dont feel like.

So, colors and icons would be a big improvement for people who heal and repair. It is sometimes really hard to see who has curse or not in the crowd. 5 people saying "curse" in voice chat dont help at all.

Thankx for kind interest,
lhidda

Why aren't they drinking curse pots?

[Lorz]

VOD.

Cursed WF cannot be healed, but repaired.
Cursed people cannot healed.
People still dont take curse pots if they dont feel like.

So, colors and icons would be a big improvement for people who heal and repair. It is sometimes really hard to see who has curse or not in the crowd. 5 people saying "curse" in voice chat dont help at all.

Thankx for kind interest,
lhidda

Those that will not be concerned with their curses...except main tank who gets all the love....well those others...they can die.

Yes even the mad stone raged ones.

We do not need more nanny-heal-bots in game. The proficiency level of the average player has suffered greatly in the last two years.

[LordPiglet]

VOD.

Cursed WF cannot be healed, but repaired.
Cursed people cannot healed.
People still dont take curse pots if they dont feel like.

So, colors and icons would be a big improvement for people who heal and repair. It is sometimes really hard to see who has curse or not in the crowd. 5 people saying "curse" in voice chat dont help at all.

Thankx for kind interest,
lhidda

If they can't handle their curses and someone isn't able to remove it quickly enough, then they die and well, they get raised when they get raised.

I understand the Tank who's trying to hold aggro not getting their own curses, especially a WF who's being repaired anyways. However there's no reason not to get your own curses outside of that in VoD. Frankly, in VoD except for when sully breaks and moves off, everyone but the tank should be attacking from the backside and not getting hit/cursed.

Heck, we had the barb disco in a VoD once, I started hate/ac tanking and still got my own curses. They're also in slot 9 of bar 1. I have also hit the wrong hot key, failed to get my curse and died. I blame no one but myself for that.

There is nothing at all difficult about handling ones own curse. It's laziness that prevents them from doing so. Yes madstone prevented getting the curses before guild pots, the solution was to not madstone. I still don't madstone until Sulu's under 10% myself anyways as it prevents me from casting or using other clickies I may need/want to access.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

Id quote Wizzly up there but I'm on my iPhone and it's a pain in the ****.

In a six man party, as others have said, the WF is the big wooden guy. Your divine healer either heals them or doesn't. Or the sorc/wiz has no problem watching them. Different colored health bars are a non-issue. He's the big bald dude that doesn't look like he's made of flesh.

In a raid (I'm thinking VOD, TOD here) there will be a dedicated sorc/wiz to heal the WF tank. Any other WF will fall under mass heals.

Where's the benefits to the proposed change in any of those scenarios?

I only see it as leading to more prejudice and making it easy for gimptastic healer to avoid healing WF. Nothing else.

[lhidda]

I only see it as leading to more prejudice and making it easy for gimptastic healer to avoid healing WF. Nothing else.

It could also be seen as an invitation to arcane to assist healing and saving some pots for divines.

Just tellin, I play a WF fighter. Often i come in the situation that neither the cleric nor the wiz is healing/repairing until my hp drops down to 10%. Then one of em has the heart to heal/repair or not. In midlvlquests the cleric need tons of SP to heal, where the wiz need only few to repair. Making the wiz/sorc clear that a repair in this case would be more beneficial than a heal from the divine is my intention.

So, when the arcane sees that a WF is low on HP he might send a repair cuz he easily sees (with slightly hp-bar color change) he is WF.

[Wizzly_Bear]

It could also be seen as an invitation to arcane to assist healing and saving some pots for divines.

Just tellin, I play a WF fighter. Often i come in the situation that neither the cleric nor the wiz is healing/repairing until my hp drops down to 10%. Then one of em has the heart to heal/repair or not. In midlvlquests the cleric need tons of SP to heal oh really? since when?, where the wiz need only few to repair repair spells are no cheaper than heal spells. Making the wiz/sorc clear that a repair in this case would be more beneficial than a heal from the divine is my intention and what if said arcane doesn't have repair spells?.

So, when the arcane sees that a WF is low on HP he might send a repair cuz he easily sees (with slightly hp-bar color change) he is WF its pretty hard to mistake a WF - its pretty obvious. Are you playing blindfolded or something?.

Red

[SisAmethyst]

3) Warforged have enough stigma associated with them already (though not nearly as bad as it once was) and this would likely serve to further more stigma.

This is an important point and maybe one of the reason why

...Just tellin, I play a WF fighter. Often i come in the situation that neither the cleric nor the wiz is healing/repairing until my hp drops down to 10%. Then one of em has the heart to heal/repair or not...

and to be honest, most of the Wizards and Sorcs out there like to play Wizard or Sorc because they want to invest their SP into killing something and not in playing a healer. A Sorc probably even not have the spell learned and the Wizard usually has a other spells prepared then a reconstruct, heck maybe even not learned and inscribed at all.

I don't mind that much a color change, but I not think it is a good idea as a change of that would lead to the way that Clerics no more feel responsibility to heal them at all but will point with the finger to the Wiz or Sorc and the Wiz and Sorc will refuse to heal as he will burn through his SP already by doing his regular job. Nonetheless that there is the rule that always each player is responsible of his own (Yesterday we finished some Quests in the Vale on Elite with a full melee group and no healer at all)

Also a Warforged should always take the Healing Amplification Enhancements and together with the proper equipment they can be healed like a fleshy and therefore is no reason to worry about a different color. If a Wiz is smart and check out if there are WF in the group and actually prepare the spells he will know who is the WF as he need to be aware and look, however in a big fight as a Wiz you usually concentrate on other things then checking every second all the health bar of party members (yes it is on my screen but not in the focus).

I guess if the Cleric not heal you, he is either not aware that WF with the right Enhancements can be healed nearly like anyone else and just heard the bad story's from the past or he noticed that you not even invested a single AP to get that healing Amplification and therefore refuse to play Nanny bot.

[Spisey]

If you can find my sorc 3 rooms ahead of you, ask me for a recon. I don't dislike playing healer on my caster but I do have to be reminded from time to time if it is not a recon only type situation like reconning the main tank in raids.

Of course, if I'm 3 rooms ahead of the party, you probably didn't need that recon all that desperately anyways!

[phalaeo]

I only see it as leading to more prejudice and making it easy for gimptastic healer to avoid healing WF. Nothing else.

When I've already explained that I prefer it because it would *HELP* me heal WF? I'm not sure if you are calling me gimptastic or not- if you are, you're way off base. I heal everyone equally, provided that they are not being stupid. Yes, you can check my post history for this.

I explained my logic - what's yours?

It's hard to type down every little incidence that I can remember with a detailed example- I'll try, but for most cases, I'd have to ask you to trust that it's a combined feeling from my experiences.

Attempt 1:
TBH, sometimes I forget who is WF and who isn't- at least on Argo, it seems as though every caster is WF and self-repairing... occasionally, it slips my mind when people are all spread out running in the Sub, or in raids with lots of AoE effects where I can't see- I'll see the caster take a little damage and think, no biggie- they'll recon themselves.... until they don't. Many people play with hotkeys and F1-F12 party members- I cannot do that, so I spend a great deal of time looking between bars, cooldown timers and the actual screen. Having a visual reminder on the bar itself would be like a sticky note for me- "Oh, that Sorc is fleshy... keep an eye on him"

Attempt 2:
The way I play my Clerics, I am very conscious of the HP range of different classes. Most Barbs have a decent chunk of HP, but they also Frenzy/Death Frenzy and can take a bunch of damage as well. If I'm throwing mass heals on the group, it does heal WF for a decent chunk, but I've found there is a slow creep- for every three masses I throw, I may need to throw a single target when they are not topping off all the way with a mass Heal.

As mentioned, I do a lot of juggling during raid healing to take care of the needs of a party- with a WF Barb, those "intermittent" single targets NEED to be cast off of my SP bar- they are ineffective to Heal via scrolls. A Human Barb OTOH, usually has less overall HP than a WF barb, but often has at least the first tier of Healing Amp. When playing around with quick insta-second decisions about how best to use my SP bar, I'd rather see a visual indicator that I can bounce a quick scroll onto the Human and know that I have to SP Heal the WF.

Keep in mind with this example that I'm often having to scroll heal casters who generally have to be single targeted because they are apart from the melees. Scrolls have a 6 second cooldown.... it's all about split second choices.

This may not be the way everyone heals- I understand that. I've found my style and what works for me and I'm happy with it... I'm SP efficient and even though I raid heal on a Clonk with less SP than a pure Cleric, I'm often left with a little SP and I rarely need to drink pots, except in maybe some Epics and Elite raids.

I'm just saying that a simple implementation like this would make it more convenient for me to manage my SP and direct priorities in my Heals. It's better for the parties I heal, Fleshy and WF alike.

[Wizzly_Bear]

Phaleo - I won't nitpick each thing via quotes, but suffice to say (and you'll have to trust me on this one) - you haven't reached your potential yet. Through your frequent raiding you've gained some competence it sounds like, but you're still "learning the ropes". I don't mean this in a mean or condescending way as all of us were (or are) new at some point, just to let you know you still have some growing to do. I have confidence that you'll get there. I could enumerate all the justifications, but you'll see them in time.

[SisAmethyst]

Attempt 2:
The way I play my Clerics, I am very conscious of the HP range of different classes. Most Barbs have a decent chunk of HP, but they also Frenzy/Death Frenzy and can take a bunch of damage as well. If I'm throwing mass heals on the group, it does heal WF for a decent chunk, but I've found there is a slow creep- for every three masses I throw, I may need to throw a single target when they are not topping off all the way with a mass Heal.

Dunno but I guess that a WF Frenzied Barb may have way more then 600HP and then indeed not heal full with one or two heals. But then that is not due to the fact that they healing that much worse then a fleshy but as you only see the red bar but not the total number of HP and from the HP they just have plenty. Cleric is a stressful job - at least for me - as this watching and taking care who need what. Trying to conserve mana by not over-healing too much and still be sufficient to have all on high HP is a tough job. The thinking to not need to heal a WF Sorc as they can repair themselfs sound appealing to conserve additional mana but in the end I stopped bothering about that as it makes a tough job even more complicated to need to distinguish between players. But I not capped a cleric till now so I not know how the big raids are going and you know that probably much better then me. Anyway, for me a different color would not give me any advantage as I would still treat them all the same.

[skyking613]

I like it. Sometimes its hard to keep track of who is what when the going gets tough. And especially the curse idea. when everyone is packed together it is impossible to tell he actually has it.