Monk Shintao PRE

[Coldin]

In Update 7, this enhancement line is supposed to be changing, and getting it's third tier, right? Anyone have any info on how it might be changing, or did anyone at PAX get to see it?

/curious

[Hokonoso]

tier 3 gets some dr, like silver/cold iron or whatever is lacking. so basically you will be able to beat boss dr using any handwraps in the game in conjunction with holy burst tod ring. would be nice if shintao actually did dps.......... but that is a different argument

[Missing_Minds]

Why do you need a ToD ring if they are given silver at Tier III like they were given byshk and cold iron earlier? Stick on some handwraps of holy/pg and get to work?

[Coldin]

Did Eladrin ever even confirm Shintao III getting silver damage? Everyone just kinda assumed that, but I don't think he ever really said one way or the other.

[OmegaDestroyer]

Hmm... Could there actually be a reason to take the pre now?

[Hokonoso]

Why do you need a ToD ring if they are given silver at Tier III like they were given byshk and cold iron earlier? Stick on some handwraps of holy/pg and get to work?

because if you have a tod ring you can use a +5 anarchic burst handwraps of greater evil outsider bane for maximum dps.

[Darkrok]

I don't believe Shintao III was every confirmed for U7. They said they would be reworking Shintao but I don't remember them promising the third tier yet. My apologies if I just missed it.

[Diyon]

I don't believe Shintao III was every confirmed for U7. They said they would be reworking Shintao but I don't remember them promising the third tier yet. My apologies if I just missed it.

You missed it, there's a photo of a screen listing Shintao III, Bard stuff tier II, and Archmage to tier II.

[Missing_Minds]

because if you have a tod ring you can use a +5 anarchic burst handwraps of greater evil outsider bane for maximum dps.

*facepalm* maybe against devils.

How many people have...
greater bane is a ml 6. (so... +4)
+5 is ml 8. (+8)
anarchic burst is.. what... +4 again?
and handwraps so +2.

ML 18 handwraps. I don't see those very often. Nice set if you do have it though.

[Wrendd]

If Shintao actually gets /Silver as an effect they might be worth playing. Anarchic Burst +5 wraps of GEOB with Holy Burst and Lightnig Burst ToD rings would put them at or above GS. (Of course those wraps are hard to find, but others would suffice).

I was also under the impression that they did a "rework" of Shintao and not just a tier III. so hopefully they have fixed the lackluster Smite Evil and made it useful. And it is probably too much to hope for, but I really do hope they dropped the protection form evil ability and gave them something worth having.

My monk was made to be a Shintao long before the PrC came out and I was finally forced to make her into a dark monk with a LR. But it just does not feel right for that toon and I would really like to have a reason to switch her back

[Eladrin]

Did Eladrin ever even confirm Shintao III getting silver damage? Everyone just kinda assumed that, but I don't think he ever really said one way or the other.

Shintao Monk III will be in Update 7, and the last line of the enhancement is "Your Protection from Tainted Creatures bonuses increase to +6, and your unarmed attacks now bypass Silver damage reduction."

Edit:

You missed it, there's a photo of a screen listing Shintao III, Bard stuff tier II, and Archmage to tier II.

Archmage will go to Tier V.

[Coldin]

Shintao Monk III will be in Update 7, and the last line of the enhancement is "Your Protection from Tainted Creatures bonuses increase to +6, and your unarmed attacks now bypass Silver damage reduction."

Hehe. So Shintao's get taint protection?

Anyway, that sounds pretty awesome. Now I just wonder what this Protection from Tainted Creatures does. Maybe +6 to AC against certain monsters?

[Drakos]

Shintao Monk III will be in Update 7, and the last line of the enhancement is "Your Protection from Tainted Creatures bonuses increase to +6, and your unarmed attacks now bypass Silver damage reduction."

Edit:

Archmage will go to Tier V.

Lets face it, you rock Eladrin!

Thanks fot that info.

[rimble]

If we're comparing rare handwraps:

+? Anarchic Burst of GEOB

vs

+? Metalline of GEOB

To fudge the numbers a little...it's about a 3d6 difference (someone with more math chops can get into it)...2d6 for the Anarchic, and another couple points per hit for the Burst.

Ninja Spy is already rolling with +3d6 Sneak Attack at Tier II. I'm not sure how Fortification comes into play there, but otherwise, it's a wash (except that your Sneak Attack is pretty much always useful, whereas your material type bonuses don't always matter).

Tier III might bring even more Sneak Attack. Now, I know +3d6 ALWAYS damage is better than +3d6 Sneak Attack damage, but in the boss fights where this really matters, you likely don't have aggro anyways (Monk tanks excepted).

Focusing the PrE on the material type bonuses is not right. They should be the secondary benefit, the other aspects they choose during the redesign of the PrE should be the main point. Otherwise, Shintao just exists for new Monks until they get itemized, and once they are, all should go Ninja Spy.

[Fafnir]

What does the Prot Evil give you?

At your touch a magical barrier is created that wards a target from attack by evil creatures granting a +2 deflection bonus to AC and +2 resistance bonus to saves against attacks from evil creatures. The target is also warded from magical mental control and compulsions. This ability counts as a light move.

It will take a hell of a lot more than that to make Shintao competitive with Ninja Spy. And by a hell of a lot more, you should read DAMAGE, Eladrin...

[dkyle]

Shintao Monk III will be in Update 7, and the last line of the enhancement is "Your Protection from Tainted Creatures bonuses increase to +6, and your unarmed attacks now bypass Silver damage reduction."

Would you mind saying what will happen with Kyosho's band? Will its set bonus change other than adding something for Shintao III? I'm dreading that "my precious" will get the Pale Master treatment...

[rimble]

It will take a hell of a lot more than that to make Shintao competitive with Ninja Spy. And by a hell of a lot more, you should read DAMAGE, Eladrin...

If nothing else changes, the Smite is still weak. The Banish is weak. Giving +6 Deflection to the tank is nice and all, but weak. As mentioned in my previous post, material types are just a temporary benefit to new Monks (there's something to be said for that), who should respec out of Shintao as soon as they get a decent set of boss beaters.

I still don't get it. Hopefully more is changing.

[Darkrok]

You missed it, there's a photo of a screen listing Shintao III, Bard stuff tier II, and Archmage to tier II.

Awesome! I saw the bard tier II and Archmage but missed seeing that Shintao was going to tier III. Gives me a reason to keep dragging my feet on TR'ing to dark now.

[Coldin]

Last line of the enhancement. Hmm, does that mean last line of the PRE chain? Or just the last line of the description of the third tier? I could take it to mean either way.

[Jamma]

tier 3 gets some dr, like silver/cold iron or whatever is lacking. so basically you will be able to beat boss dr using any handwraps in the game in conjunction with holy burst tod ring. would be nice if shintao actually did dps.......... but that is a different argument

Yeah, kind of ironic that the ToD combo of choice for all DPS melees is the shintao monk set.