Cultural differences

[LuckyLuke2]

I met a fellow EU refugee "by accident" yesterday when he tried to fill up a xp farm group for Delera's part 4. After waiting for about half an hour (on a lazy sunday afternoon) and seeing quite a few people joining, asking for a share and leaving without a word when told it was House J P2P, we kind of gave it up (reckon that my hagglebot will have to wait a bit longer to level up further).

So we kind of chatted for a while about the "cultural differences" in playstyle between Euros/US players, or better, if there are any differences. Our main conclusion was that EU playstyle was a bit more "relaxed", less focussed on achieving goals as long as we have fun (even if we wipe), a voice chat which is a bit more "civilised" (less shouting when someone screwed up), ...

But then again, we might be utterly and completely wrong about it ... . Just wondering what the remainder of the Ghallanda community thinks about it.

[FuzzyDuck81]

Not a Ghallanda player, but i think one of the main differences is just in the number & experience of players, especially for PUGs - back in EU, there were so few players you could pretty much guarantee youd be at least moderately familiar with anyone you happened to group with & just about everyone had enough experience to at least have a general idea of any particular quest, know how to play their characters etc. so they wouldnt need to fuss about things as much, and could simply run while hanging out with people and chatting - plus, sometimes FINDING a group took so long you'd be grateful enough to have people to play with that it wouldnt matter if you wiped

[Jarah]

I started a cleric over here, what makes me looking at red and blue bars only, so I don't see that much of the playstyle.
There's just one thing I got annoyed about. In Europe we used to wait for buffs at the quest entrance.
Here guys run ahead the very moment their loading screen vanishes. Do they know about buffs at all?
Do they know about buffs, but don't like them for a reason? I dunno.
I just see those who refuse to wait for a fire resistance dying in a hobgoblin's comet fall.
Well, of course it was the cleric's fault, 'cause he doesn't know how to heal.

Besides, running ahead spreads the group, what makes my job even more difficult.

[Cholgosh]

...Our main conclusion was that EU playstyle was a bit more "relaxed", less focussed on achieving goals as long as we have fun (even if we wipe), a voice chat which is a bit more "civilised" (less shouting when someone screwed up)...

I recently joined a guild made up primarily of Europeans, for this very reason. I've been able to run a few quests with them and they are a joy to run with, as the focus isn't on the *running* but more on the having fun and enjoying the quest and each others company. And the beautiful artwork that makes up these dungeons that most people just seem to blaze through with their eye on beating some imaginary timer.

I still get into groups with non-guildies but I naturally avoid LFMs that specifically state they're zerging, rushing or otherwise not interested in actually enjoying the game (that's just my opinion, though. they might have a really good time rushing. I don't, but some people might). At the same time, if I find myself in one of those Rushy McHurry groups, I tend to stick it through until the end rather than bail mid-quest.

[Irongutz2000]

Here guys run ahead the very moment their loading screen vanishes. Do they know about buffs at all?
Do they know about buffs, but don't like them for a reason? I dunno.
I just see those who refuse to wait for a fire resistance dying in a hobgoblin's comet fall.
Well, of course it was the cleric's fault, 'cause he doesn't know how to heal.

Besides, running ahead spreads the group, what makes my job even more difficult.

I am zerger, but i am also working onn my TR, an 90% even if i wait for group buffs none r thorwn so i figure whats the piont, u would be suprised how many casters or bards for that matter don't buff or even haste now adays, so i just keep pots for every thing. Alot more xpensive but at least i get what i need.

[westudi]

I am zerger, but i am also working onn my TR, an 90% even if i wait for group buffs none r thorwn so i figure whats the piont, u would be suprised how many casters or bards for that matter don't buff or even haste now adays, so i just keep pots for every thing. Alot more xpensive but at least i get what i need.

x2

I find myself doing the same thing with my TR. It would be different if I wasn't almost completely self-sufficient, but I can keep myself alive, do the vast majority of the work, and speed things along. Also, I zerg low level quests because I am sick of doing them. I like a fast-paced, but relatively cautious style of play for higher level content.

[Thriand]

I started a cleric over here, what makes me looking at red and blue bars only, so I don't see that much of the playstyle.
There's just one thing I got annoyed about. In Europe we used to wait for buffs at the quest entrance.
Here guys run ahead the very moment their loading screen vanishes. Do they know about buffs at all?
Do they know about buffs, but don't like them for a reason? I dunno.
I just see those who refuse to wait for a fire resistance dying in a hobgoblin's comet fall.
Well, of course it was the cleric's fault, 'cause he doesn't know how to heal.

Besides, running ahead spreads the group, what makes my job even more difficult.

Maybe these people who are running off can provide their own buffs, or in fact just don't want to wait around for everyone in the group to get a fire resistance because someone incorrectly thought cometfall does fire damage. Just because they run off without all the buffs you want to give doesn't mean they aren't well prepared.

The one thing that is bound to make me angry is people screaming for buffs that they don't need.

[DrenglisEU]

I started a cleric over here, what makes me looking at red and blue bars only, so I don't see that much of the playstyle.
There's just one thing I got annoyed about. In Europe we used to wait for buffs at the quest entrance.
Here guys run ahead the very moment their loading screen vanishes. Do they know about buffs at all?
Do they know about buffs, but don't like them for a reason? I dunno.
I just see those who refuse to wait for a fire resistance dying in a hobgoblin's comet fall.
Well, of course it was the cleric's fault, 'cause he doesn't know how to heal.

Besides, running ahead spreads the group, what makes my job even more difficult.

Getting buffs or giving buffs should be a normal start of a Q! Maybe it is that people really dont know about the benefits of buffs. Haste should be a main stable of those classes able to give it out... it is annoying if you have to all the time beg for them :-/

And if someone dies because being a idiot.... and then blame the cleric... well we all know that barking on the wrong tree and should look into the mirror (well doesn't work if your a vampire but otherwise). I'm running a FvS and I heal & give the few buffs I have. Those who run ahead even when warned not to, I leave dead, really annoing cases just leave the stone there where it landed.

That's my 2-cents

[Jawny_Carcinogen]

Do they know about buffs, but don't like them for a reason? I dunno.

They know about them, after running off without waiting for them they like to whine about not having them and request they be recasted specificly for them.

I find I solo alot lol. :-)

[Micron]

I started a cleric over here, what makes me looking at red and blue bars only, so I don't see that much of the playstyle.

I feel a bit sorry for you, I couldn't play a cleric if that only consisted of watching health bars and being oblivious to everything else. Fortunately there's so much more to do for clerics, especially when it comes to KILLING THINGS. One of the best offensive classes in game.

On topic, the attitude is different on US servers but I really haven't noticed much difference in playstyle. Good players focus on what it takes to complete a quest without wiping and newbies run off without buffs and die just like they did in the EU.

[AyumiAmakusa]

I don't know if it was me only but almost every EU player I've PUGged with were very nice and polite.

We ran quests slow, did optionals as best we could and generally weren't 'rushing' (with only 1 EU player making 'the list' so far).

Can't say the same for US players because it's like a lottery, sometimes you feel like they've been your best friend for years and sometimes you feel like you're playing with your neighbour who has that annoying dog who barks incessantly and you feel like you want to shove that dog down her.....you get the point.

Maybe I've just been quite lucky with PUGs (about 80% were nice) but that's just what I've seen.

[SlogUK]

The major difference I run into all the time on my cleric is that groups don't stay close together for buffs or mass heals, and there are lots more people who are trying to impress with how good they are, and causing wipes. I ran with a consummate idiot tr sorc in tempest spine last night, who pressured a group full of new players into rushing, refused to explain how to do things when asked by said new players, instead commenting that he had played the game for a long time and so he knew the tricks. When I asked how long, he said 1 and a half years. Shortly after, he let himself get blown off the ledge at the end of tempest spine with all the runes. I laughed a lot. I suppose new players were a rare and precious resource in the eu, so I always stopped, helped and talked them through stuff. Over here they're a penny a pound. I wonder if I harden over time. And end up like that ***.

[Breez_nh]

So we kind of chatted for a while about the "cultural differences" in playstyle between Euros/US players, or better, if there are any differences. Our main conclusion was that EU playstyle was a bit more "relaxed", less focussed on achieving goals as long as we have fun (even if we wipe), a voice chat which is a bit more "civilised" (less shouting when someone screwed up), ...

But then again, we might be utterly and completely wrong about it ... . Just wondering what the remainder of the Ghallanda community thinks about it.

The EU guilds that transferred vary a lot, some like a slower pace, others like a faster pace. Either way, they are all very competent & experienced players, you really had to be to survive for the last year on Keeper/devourer.

[DrenglisEU]

The EU guilds that transferred vary a lot, some like a slower pace, others like a faster pace. Either way, they are all very competent & experienced players, you really had to be to survive for the last year on Keeper/devourer.

Sadly /signed, a true fact! I remember all the times being alone online or there was a wooping 3 of us online on the whole keeper.... being selfsufficient was the only way to go :-(

[Micron]

I ran with a consummate idiot tr sorc in tempest spine last night, who pressured a group full of new players into rushing, refused to explain how to do things when asked by said new players, instead commenting that he had played the game for a long time and so he knew the tricks. When I asked how long, he said 1 and a half years. Shortly after, he let himself get blown off the ledge at the end of tempest spine with all the runes. I laughed a lot.

Tempest Spine seems to be an endless source of hilarious stories like this one because it's the only F2P raid. By a certain sort of players it's considered something like endgame content. The other day a guildie of mine on Thelanis got told off and labeled a "lazy arcane" for not giving Freedom of Movement to a TS group he was in on his level 10 sorcerer. It caused much amusement in our guild chat.

[DrenglisEU]

Tempest Spine seems to be an endless source of hilarious stories like this one because it's the only F2P raid. By a certain sort of players it's considered something like endgame content. The other day a guildie of mine on Thelanis got told off and labeled a "lazy arcane" for not giving Freedom of Movement to a TS group he was in on his level 10 sorcerer. It caused much amusement in our guild chat.

Well back in time when cap was lvl10, it definetly was THE end game stuff... it's even now a fun Q even if they nerfed the xp in it. FoM and lvl10 Wiz. all I can say is dööö

[joneb1999]

x2

I find myself doing the same thing with my TR. It would be different if I wasn't almost completely self-sufficient, but I can keep myself alive, do the vast majority of the work, and speed things along. Also, I zerg low level quests because I am sick of doing them. I like a fast-paced, but relatively cautious style of play for higher level content.

If you guys want to play like that thats cool as long as you dont put others that dont want to play that way through that or have u run the quest for them, ie by making it clear you are zerging in an lfm because otherwise its just ignorant. Really if you can zerg ahead like that you know you dont need to party as with dungeon scaling you could easily do it solo without annoying anyone. That also makes me wonder why, if you are feeling rushed and impatient, you then party at all (apart from the few quests that require multiple players for switches).

[Nospheratus]

There are a lot of powergamer rushing zergers coming from Europe too
But, i guess those don't really PUG that much perhaps because of the habits that were created due to low-population in the last year in Europe.

For the 3 years i played in Europe, there were only 2 people that i decided i didn't want to play with.

For now, haven't had any problems with players in Ghallanda, but i only PUGed, perhaps 3-4 times in these 15(?) days i'v been here!

I'd like to take the opportunity to ask for HHHHHHAAAAAASSSSSSSTTTTTTEEEEEEEE! It's just the most important spell there is, and i don't have the plat to get addicted on pots yet!

[DrenglisEU]

There are a lot of powergamer rushing zergers coming from Europe too
But, i guess those don't really PUG that much perhaps because of the habits that were created due to low-population in the last year in Europe.

I'd like to take the opportunity to ask for HHHHHHAAAAAASSSSSSSTTTTTTEEEEEEEE! It's just the most important spell there is, and i don't have the plat to get addicted on pots yet!

Jep, there will always be power rushers, BUT most of them (back in EU-land) could slow down if asked. But usually they stated in their LFM.... rushing and you knew the name of the game.

Agree, haste is important!! I know, I'm a haste-holic..... I confess... same no pots on these plat amounts yet

[Valezra]

Maybe these people who are running off can provide their own buffs, or in fact just don't want to wait around for everyone in the group to get a fire resistance because someone incorrectly thought cometfall does fire damage. Just because they run off without all the buffs you want to give doesn't mean they aren't well prepared.

The one thing that is bound to make me angry is people screaming for buffs that they don't need.

Many less buffs are required in DDO than people think. Even Fire Resistance in Shroud is kinda pointless for example. Absorbing 30 Fire Damage every once in a while (he doesn't hit with fire that often) is kinda meh compared to the 300 to 1200 HP mass heals being tossed every couple seconds.

Like Thriand said, most of the people I know run off because we don't need or want all the excessive buffs.

Val