Spellsinger Bard build?

[chronosmaker]

I'm looking for a pure Bard Spellsinger build, full 20 levels of Bard(trying to stay simple for first characters). Could anyone direct me? I can't seem to find it. Well, that or explain why it wouldn't work, at all, and direct me to something better?

Also I intend it to be a buff/heal/all support Spellsinger.

Thanks in advance! Advice would also be welcome for playing a Bard and all, since I'm still relatively new.

[BoBoDaClown]

Mine is a CC/Healer:

Human
Cha: 18 + level ups
Str: 14+
Con: 14+

Feats:
1( TOughness
1) Extend
3) Spell FOc: enchant
6) Maximise
9) Spell Foc: Enchant
12) Quicken
15) Spell Pen
18) Heighten

[Aashrym]

Mine is a CC/Healer:

Human
Cha: 18 + level ups
Str: 14+
Con: 14+

Feats:
1( TOughness
1) Extend
3) Spell FOc: enchant
6) Maximise
9) Spell Foc: Enchant
12) Quicken
15) Spell Pen
18) Heighten

This is pretty similar to what I have set up. I gave up extend and quicken for greater spell penetration and empower healing.

Going with this the list above I might give up both spell penetration feats for extend and quicken and keep empowered healing for more focus on healing and less on CC. A person could give up the spell focus feats for mental toughness / improved mental toughness for bit more SP for healing, and rely more on fascinate for CC.

Just a thought.

[BoBoDaClown]

This is pretty similar to what I have set up. I gave up extend and quicken for greater spell penetration and empower healing.

Going with this the list above I might give up both spell penetration feats for extend and quicken and keep empowered healing for more focus on healing and less on CC. A person could give up the spell focus feats for mental toughness / improved mental toughness for bit more SP for healing, and rely more on fascinate for CC.

Just a thought.

My thoughts

-I haven't had too much trouble with spell pen - I guess until your geared a 2nd one might be worth it.
-Maximise gives you better healing than Empower Healing - unless you run with both?

This is just a personal thing, but I don't find mana valuable enough to justify the mental toughness feats (which really don't give you that many sp). I'd rather be reliable with the spells I do cast.

[Samadhi]

Yes on Quicken.
No on mental toughness.
Running Max and EmpH at the same time I have heard good things about in terms of efficiency but have yet to try personally.
I would rec. keeping extend for a new player as well.

[Aashrym]

I run both maximize and empower healing. Awesome goodness with cure crit for single target and toggling mass cure light and mass cure moderate.

Quicken is the one I was deciding what to swap out for myself. That last Pen II is most likely going to be it.

When I dropped extend originally it was because the min/level buffs were still going when I was ready to shrine, or would sometimes get dispelled and the SP for the extend was getting wasted. Sometimes there was a lot of time on them when the quest was over. The CC spells were lasting long enough without it so it only really made a difference on my shorter buffs.

The mental toughness I don't use. It was one of those just a thought moments for an extra 200 SP. Here is the list of feats my previous comments would have given:

Toughness
Extend
Maximize
Empower Healing
Quicken
Mental Toughness
Improved Mental Toughness
(1 Other to work with)

[Darkrok]

Yes on Quicken.
No on mental toughness.
Running Max and EmpH at the same time I have heard good things about in terms of efficiency but have yet to try personally.
I would rec. keeping extend for a new player as well.

Yeah, I'd never drop Extend. The human build I mentioned in the previous post is a variation of the Classic Rocker build. 18str+level-ups to str, 16con, 14cha. If you take Toughness/Power Attack, Extend, WF: Slashing, Maximize, IC: Slashing, Quicken, Empower Healing as your feats you'll be able to throw out some pretty beefy heals in between twitching with a nice two-handed weapon. I get good results healing on the Warforged version that lacks Empower Healing and have 2nd healed shrouds as well as solo-healed a ton of stuff. Just be willing to scroll heal/reconstruct to make up for your smaller sp pool when you're in longer quests and make liberal use of blur/displacement.

[Firebreed]

On which spells does maximise work on, and on which does empower healing? As far as I can see from the previous posts, you say that max. is better than emp.heal, but If I understand correctly, maxi doesn't affect your heals.

Edit: Also I'm about to take these feats on f drow ss bard.
Toughness, Maxi/emp.heal (depends), Extend Spell, Spell Focus: Enhancements, Greater Spell focus: Enhancements, Quicken Spell, Mental Toughness. I don't know whether I should take anything out for spell penetration or heighten spell.

Edit 2: What are some typical spell choices for spellsingers?

[BoBoDaClown]

On which spells does maximise work on, and on which does empower healing? As far as I can see from the previous posts, you say that max. is better than emp.heal, but If I understand correctly, maxi doesn't affect your heals.

Edit: Also I'm about to take these feats on f drow ss bard.
Toughness, Maxi/emp.heal (depends), Extend Spell, Spell Focus: Enhancements, Greater Spell focus: Enhancements, Quicken Spell, Mental Toughness. I don't know whether I should take anything out for spell penetration or heighten spell.

Edit 2: What are some typical spell choices for spellsingers?

1) Max works on all heal and damage spells. Emp H. on the heal spells. Max is generally taken because it gives you more punch.

2) Personally I would always take Heighten - it increases my Hold Monster and Ball by 2, and my MAss Suggestion by 1.

3) I would lose the mental toughness. The extra sp really isn't worth a feat. You'll learn to manage and replenish your sp.

4) I would take Human over drow. You can get your cha to 19 (with adaptabilty), so only 1 less, while getting higher con and str, plus human toughness enhancements. The extra feat would allow you to pick up spell pen.

[Firebreed]

Thanks. What about spell choices?

[BoBoDaClown]

At 20 these are the spells I would look at (note I would always have 2-3 heal spells, the best versions of heroism, etc):

First:
Focusing Dance, Grease, Master's Touch (Expeditious Retreat is awesome at low levels), Detect Secret Doors, Hypno.

Second:
Blur Glitterdust Invis Rage Soundburst

Third
Crushing Despair, Displacement, Good Hope, Haste, Slow

Fourth:
Break Enchantment, Cure Critical Wounds, Dimension Door, Hold Monster, Freedom of Movement, Otto's Sphere of Dancing, Dominate Person

Fifth:
Mass Cure Light Wounds, GH, Mind Fog, Mass Suggestion

Sixth:
Mass Cure Moderate Wounds, Greater Shout, Irresistible Dance, Hero's Feast, Mass Charm Monster

[BinyaminTsadik]

IMHO, i would not waste feats on maximize or empower heal as a bard.
You will not be the main healer and you have much better things to do with your spells.