What would you do?

**pSINNa** · 09-05-2010, 09:34 PM

So i see someone in trade channel last week looking to unload an unbound +3 int tome in return for some large scales.

Fantastic i say to myself, my WF wizard will even his int with that, i could bear to part with some scales surely.

I check the fellow's name and guild, and all is good. I have friends in that guild, they have been around for ages, and have a good reputation, nothing could go wrong, right?

After checking what he's after i find myself a scale short, we settle down to ****ering, and he agree's to take 2 large stones instead of that last scale. Fantastic!

I pass a scale from one toon to him in the Phoenix, and say, hang a sec, i'll log another toon and grab those stones for you.

Log back in, bring up the trade window, and thinking to be a nice guy, throw 4 large stones at the window (i really wanted that tome, and he'd be a good sport taking the stones instead, i had many spare, so why not sweeten the deal, right?)

Thats when he logged off, never to return.

People DC, it happens, so instead of panic, i send a subtle message to the mailbox of the character concerned and kick back, all will be fine, right?

One week later, no joy, no responce, i've gutted my scale collection.

What would you do?

**hydra_ex** · 09-05-2010, 09:43 PM

Pester his guild and hope for the best, but other than that, it looks like you got screwed.

**DrenglisEU** · 09-06-2010, 01:11 AM

Mate, I feel your pain! I have been unfortunately in the same spot, took me a full month a countless in game males and bothering the ""#%/" persons guild, got my stuff back and returned his... dont give up!!

**Bacab** · 09-06-2010, 01:14 AM

That sucks Coit.

Though +3 INT that are not bound are really hard to find (aka they are 2-3 years old).

I would contact a GM...though not sure they can do anything about it.

PM Player and Guild if ya don't mind.

**vVAnjilaVv** · 09-06-2010, 01:55 AM

Sorry OP, but not logging and putting all your stuff together first so u could do the trade in one window........your fault......never trust anyone that much....doesn't matter if you know their guild...heck doesn't even matter if you know the person that bailed on you........it's an online relationship.

On the same token I would definitely suggest you actively pursue justice on the matter, but let it be a lesson learned and never ever do so again.

I never make trades unless they have hit accept first....and you may want to think about taking screenshots of ur conversations when doing deals in the future just to cover yourself.....it will make dealing with this kind of issue that much easier to resolve.

I still can't sympathize......and not to bash the F2P community, but the fact of the matter is a lot of the people who are in that boat of playerbase are very shady...so you should be even more cautious these days than ever before.

**Uska** · 09-06-2010, 02:11 AM

Saw that guy broadcasting the sell didnt realize it was you who went after it and got ripped off what a jerk. Just talk to gm's and his guild if he was guilded. Ask him again if you see him but becareful so he cant accuse you of harshment.

ps wouldnt mind knowing his name and guild

**Bronko** · 09-06-2010, 02:22 AM

I understand your anger/frustration but unfortunately I have limited sympathy. The simple rule on trading is "put it in the window first."

No matter how badly you want something both parties have to put their plat/goods in the trade window first. It's the only way anyone can prevent something like this happening. This isn't like a real-world establishment where you hand the teller some cash and they give you your goods. That other player could be half-way around the world from you.

I sympathize but you're pretty much boned at this point since a GM is unable to assist you with this issue AFAIK. Having said that, this server is too small for someone to pull **** like that. I would appreciate a PM with the name of the player if you don't mind.

**lolwatboomer** · 09-06-2010, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Bronko

I understand your anger/frustration but unfortunately I have limited sympathy. The simple rule on trading is "put it in the window first."

No matter how badly you want something both parties have to put their plat/goods in the trade window first. It's the only way anyone can prevent something like this happening. This isn't like a real-world establishment where you hand the teller some cash and they give you your goods. That other player could be half-way around the world from you.

I sympathize but you're pretty much boned at this point since a GM is unable to assist you with this issue AFAIK. Having said that, this server is too small for someone to pull **** like that. I would appreciate a PM with the name of the player if you don't mind.

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**GlorkTheInvader** · 09-06-2010, 02:37 AM

Talk to their guild leader/officers, raise awareness. Get your friends and guildies to blacklist the player -- and possibly their entire guild, if the guild doesn't pressure the player into returning your Scales or sending you your tome.

When I first started browsing the forums, I remember having seen a Thelanis Marketplace thread about a player who had failed to uphold his end of a trade. Several large, reputable guilds threatened to blacklist that player's entire guild until the situation got resolved, and that's eventually what happened. Unfortunately, there is currently no way for GMs or anybody within Turbine to enforce trades gone wrong, so it falls down to the players to do so.

Hopefully you'll learn to do everything in one fell swoop. I've some epic raid loot (shards, tomes) in the chest, but only to people I'd been playing with for months, from top-end Thelanis guilds. Other than that, I wouldn't make any large-spectrum trade in chunks or pieces.

Good luck in getting paid. If it doesn't happen, hopefully the jerkwad who took your larges won't be able to show his name on Ghallanda ever again.

**Irinis** · 09-06-2010, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by vVAnjilaVv

I still can't sympathize......and not to bash the F2P community, but the fact of the matter is a lot of the people who are in that boat of playerbase are very shady...so you should be even more cautious these days than ever before.

Unbound +3 tomes are unlikely to belong to F2P.

**DrenglisEU** · 09-06-2010, 03:46 AM

Don't you get unbound tomes for games and competitions still?

**valorik** · 09-06-2010, 04:20 AM

Originally Posted by Irinis

Unbound +3 tomes are unlikely to belong to F2P.

The only unbound +3 tomes would be from the festivus jester, who the f2p have as much access to as anyone.

**cpito** · 09-06-2010, 04:20 AM

I have to agree that there's a huge lesson to be learned here. Find out who the guild officers are and let this person's actions be known but unless every member is an officer, I wouldn't be pestering every member of the guild.

I also wouldn't mind a PM

**LuckyLuke2** · 09-06-2010, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by pSINNa

I check the fellow's name and guild, and all is good. I have friends in that guild, they have been around for ages, and have a good reputation, nothing could go wrong, right?

I have toons in 2 of the major guilds, so if one of these is concerned I will post this in the guild forums. Just send a pm if you'd like an inquiry.

**toughguyjoe** · 09-06-2010, 06:17 AM

I am going to guess that I would go HULK SMASH all over something.

Then i would contact the players guild and seek restitution.