Doom for the heavy multiclassed warchanter?

[AltheaSteelrain]

My personal Opinion states I have officially gimped myself by going for 14 bard 4 fighter 2 barb route, and after all my research to figure out which of which will get affected, my stance is still that technically I have gimped myself. But heck, I am gimp to begin with so might as well

Moving forward, this U7 SOURCE I am currently following, has some very interesting information...

2nd tier for bard prestige enhancements and possible tune up for level 1

So is it still viable, come U7, to multiclass bards or, the revamp of both tier I and tier II warchanter would change the new min/max route of creating a warchanter?

Discuss.

[SpiritBoy]

I doubt Chanter3 will be THAT MUCH good to make 16bard completely worthless. We really need to wait for the full descriptions before we condemn 16bards to gimpness.

[Maegin]

Yep. and just like how times change, we have a reroll button and can adapt. I personally see the power in multiclassing, but never liked it cause you never know what will be the next flavor of the month, and with pure, not too much changes. Plus potential new capstones.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

I'm all for Turbine showing bards love! If Turbine comes up with a pure warchanter that can do everything that I can do, I'll gladly LR into a pure bard and adjust stats accordingly, or just go 1 fighter/1 barb.

My recommendation for all bard multis with clear definable paths (aka you KNOW why you splashed) is to stay on course. Turbine has a LOT of ground to make up with the warchanter pre and I'm not really sure they can. If they do, we can and will adapt.

[ArkoHighStar]

Anybody can TR not just VIP?

I have planned out the TR of my rogue into a 16b/2f/2r warchanter but decided to wait until U7 to see if any of the pre etc changed. I am glad I made taht decision

[AltheaSteelrain]

I doubt Chanter3 will be THAT MUCH good to make 16bard completely worthless. We really need to wait for the full descriptions before we condemn 16bards to gimpness.

True. As of now, I am still quite confident regardless of my sudden inclination for the word doom, that I can bring staple DPS through my personal DPS because of my choice of splash. Though if we look at other PrE's, for example the defender of Siberys, their special ability scales quite well for a PrE, if we then speculate using how this example scaled well, there is a possibility that the Bard PrE's will turn out great.

(Did I use a bad example of a PrE that scales well? I dunno, just feeding the discussion)

I'm speculating that the tier II and tier III will bring more overall song DPS(duh!) and probably additional DR from Ironskin Chant. *crosses fingers*

If so, then maybe multi-classing is still viable for a bard come U7.

[AltheaSteelrain]

Yep. and just like how times change, we have a reroll button and can adapt. I personally see the power in multiclassing, but never liked it cause you never know what will be the next flavor of the month, and with pure, not too much changes. Plus potential new capstones.

But that is the beauty of multiclassing, its to create your ideal "capstones" through synergy and ingenious creativity

Though I also believe pure-classing is the least damaged by update changes.

[moorewr]

My bard is 16 bard/3 rogue/1 fighter. If I LR to go 18bard/2 rogue, I give up either GTWF or Extend - extend being more likely (also I lose a hand full of HP), and I get {fill in the blank}. I wont know which way I'll go till I see Warchanter III spelled out.

[AltheaSteelrain]

I'm all for Turbine showing bards love! If Turbine comes up with a pure warchanter that can do everything that I can do, I'll gladly LR into a pure bard and adjust stats accordingly, or just go 1 fighter/1 barb.

My recommendation for all bard multis with clear definable paths (aka you KNOW why you splashed) is to stay on course. Turbine has a LOT of ground to make up with the warchanter pre and I'm not really sure they can. If they do, we can and will adapt.

Ah!~ The great Khanate visits my little spot in the forums!~

Though the news is generally great, personally this is way overdue already, but heck, better late than never right? But I posted this thread just so we can compile whatever information we can get as of now about the full tiers of the Warchanter; I am assuming of course that it is only the Warchanter PrE that can get away with multiclassing.

Regardless, I am just gathering whatever information I can before the big change happens hence to create a weighing scale for players to decide whether to LR/TR their multiclassed bards into full tier warchanters PrE.

Ultimately this spells a great grindfest for my bard, now that I need more TP (I'm f2p) to access demon sands to finally grind yet again for epic tokens for TR

[AltheaSteelrain]

Anybody can TR not just VIP?

I have planned out the TR of my rogue into a 16b/2f/2r warchanter but decided to wait until U7 to see if any of the pre etc changed. I am glad I made taht decision

f2p can TR, but on my account I cannot, most unfortunate, seeing that I made a mistake to pick delera over sands, now I have to double my effort to regain the said TP, triple even when I chose to buy that 50% discounted extra character slot instead, for extra bardiness (I love creating bards)

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

But that is the beauty of multiclassing, its to create your ideal "capstones" through synergy and ingenious creativity

Though I also believe pure-classing is the least damaged by update changes.

Well put. If you build smart, there is no need to "FEAR" the future.

The builds that tend to get borked are the one trick ponies that build around a single offense (dual wops come to mind - fix: they nerfed wops)

Bards are so diverse however, I don't think they can render very many mixed class warchanters non-competitive. If we need to adapt, we can.

[AltheaSteelrain]

My bard is 16 bard/3 rogue/1 fighter. If I LR to go 18bard/2 rogue, I give up either GTWF or Extend - extend being more likely (also I lose a hand full of HP), and I get {fill in the blank}. I wont know which way I'll go till I see Warchanter III spelled out.

That is also how I see it.

its like losing myself over ?... Its a big ? Hence I am alarmed like ! to pick up whatever information as of now regarding the bard PrE's through this discussion thread.

[AltheaSteelrain]

Well put. If you build smart, there is no need to "FEAR" the future. I believe diving right in and build what makes sense to me and build what is fun to play. Turbine has almost never borked these kinds of builds.

The builds that tend to get borked are the one trick ponies that build around a single offense (dual wops come to mind - fix: they nerfed wops)

Bards are so diverse however, I don't think they can render very many mixed class warchanters non-competitive.

True, at any rate for consolidation I guess it is safe for every Genghis Khan and other warchanter variants (publicity!~) to say that at least we can have access to Warchanter II :P

[moorewr]

No matter what, if you have >=12 levels of Bard you WIN. You will be more bard than before. That's all that actually matters.

[AltheaSteelrain]

No matter what, if you have >=12 levels of Bard you WIN. You will be more bard than before. That's all that actually matters.

Not unless warchanter III gives something like

"your song is so awe inspiring that those who listen to them gain an increased fervor in combat"

+25% stacking attack speed before all modifiers
+5 Damage, double the bonus for Two Handed Weapons
+1 Crit threat range, +1 crit modifier

[moorewr]

Not unless warchanter III gives something like

"your song is so awe inspiring that those who listen to them gain an increased fervor in combat"

+25% stacking attack speed before all modifiers
+5 Damage, double the bonus for Two Handed Weapons
+1 Crit threat range, +1 crit modifier

Nah. More likely is:
"You receive +5% chance of a double strike, one additional song, an additional rage if you have this ability, and +1 damage from your Inspire Courage song."

[Irinis]

Most of my multiclassed Bards are multiclassed for a reason. Rogue splash... well... I needed an extra feat so I had to add a Fighter level. Suddenly I'm looking at 16/1/3 or 16/2/2 because 17 bard doesn't bring much. Even if they change the songs, I still need that extra feat to be competitive in personal DPS once I've already splashed.

I hope they change Warchanter to include Weapon Focus: Ranged as a prereq so the Arcane Archers have less of a feat squeeze. I really wish they'd give ALL Bards an extra feat. The most versatile class, yet that's not supported with feats. So we're almost forced to splash Fighter if we want to melee at all.

Any news on Virtuoso's higher tiers? Or is it just Warchanter and Spellsinger this update?

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

True, at any rate for consolidation I guess it is safe for every Genghis Khan and other warchanter variants (publicity!~) to say that at least we can have access to Warchanter II :P

That was always the case. I made a calculated decision to build, knowing full well the rules would change, or more rules (aka PrEs) would be added. Now they are simplifying the game so more people can roll better toons. That's really what the PrEs are about.

I'm standing PAT until I see warchanter PrEs that offer more than 16/4.

[SpiritBoy]

Most of my multiclassed Bards are multiclassed for a reason. Rogue splash... well... I needed an extra feat so I had to add a Fighter level. Suddenly I'm looking at 16/1/3 or 16/2/2 because 17 bard doesn't bring much. Even if they change the songs, I still need that extra feat to be competitive in personal DPS once I've already splashed.

I hope they change Warchanter to include Weapon Focus: Ranged as a prereq so the Arcane Archers have less of a feat squeeze. I really wish they'd give ALL Bards an extra feat. The most versatile class, yet that's not supported with feats. So we're almost forced to splash Fighter if we want to melee at all.

Any news on Virtuoso's higher tiers? Or is it just Warchanter and Spellsinger this update?

All three PrE's are included.

[AltheaSteelrain]

Nah. More likely is:
"You receive +5% chance of a double strike, one additional song, an additional rage if you have this ability, and +1 damage from your Inspire Courage song."

That's popping my timmy bubble but heck, at least its realistic and possible