Manners

[Amoneth]

I realise I'm probably going to get absolutely SLATED for this but stuff it, I need to vent.

I'll start by saying that I know a few Americans in real life and they are all very polite (more so than me) so this is definitely not an attack on Americans, more an observation about a few people on the server compared to my experience in the Eu.

I know I'm probably being soft because I'm used to better manners but crikey there are so many people out there that leave a group without saying a word, not even 'ty bb' or even 'bb' if they haven't had a good time.

Then there's the 'Yes I want that item', no 'pls', 'ty' or anything.

And in all the years I've played, I've never been kicked from a group for saying 'Thanks for the group, cya' but it's happened to me twice in one week here. I mean, is it really necessary to save those few seconds between me saying I'm leaving to allowing people to say goodbye before I go?

*Hides behind a big WF before the flames come her way*

P.S. It's not all bad by any means, I've met some very nice people over here

[TEcarson]

So all of the ppl that have booted you are Americans?

I have been playing about a year now, and I have grouped with folks from all over the world. Some type and say that they don't have great English skills, and some even have it in their Bio.

That works for me, it just tells me there won't be a lot of communication and the quest might go a bit slower due to typing.

Some folks leave without a word, and some stick around for a back and forth "thanks, bye".

Different strokes for different folks. Just sayin'...

BTW, I let folks leave on their own...I don't boot them at the end of the quest. So if we group I won't boot you while you're saying goodbye.

I see you added the PS while I was typing...and I agree 100%.

[Akrilus]

You Sir/Madam (OP) have earned a +1 and a +1 and even another +1 for your post /SIGNED!!!!

is it really that hard to say "TYVM for the group......."

whether it went bad or good?

[Impaqt]

Welcome to a server is conservatively 25 times the population of the EU Servers.

You will find the longer you are around and the more you get to know folks, you'll find there is just as much plesantries here as there were over there, unfortunatly, due to the F2P nature of the game, we get a high volume of jerks too.

[RoboVanguard]

It generally depends on the group, sometimes I say it, sometimes it slips my mind. I generally say something though, and if I don't it's just me being absentminded =\. The exception I think is for pug raids, where everyone generally drops group the instant we get out.

[Asketes]

Welcome to a server is conservatively 25 times the population of the EU Servers.

You will find the longer you are around and the more you get to know folks, you'll find there is just as much plesantries here as there were over there, unfortunatly, due to the F2P nature of the game, we get a high volume of jerks too.

could not have said it better.

[Buggss]

Hi Khell,

Nice to see you're settling in.

My experience over here is that the place tends to act like taking a day trip from a small town where you live to a big city. You seem to experience bigger varieties of people rather than a general worsening of attitudes. You find very polite people and you find extremely rude people. It looks like you've been unlucky to have a bad sampling so far which is unfortunate.

My suggestions would be to do your best to group with acquaintences (sp?) first (obvious I know) and when pugging I've found asking a couple of questions as soon as I join generally gives you a very good impression of what the group's going to be like. If you get a rude answer then jump ship there and then, if you get a helpful answer hope for the best and stick it through. Not talking about "Share please1!" of course but something that's going to require some kind of answer.

Just a little titbit, hope it helps.

Cya round

Bugz

[Amoneth]

So all of the ppl that have booted you are Americans?

Although they were both American, they were also both men, could have been both FtP, both young-uns, etc. What I mean is, I'm not saying there is one kind of person, just that there is a difference between the two servers. I only really specified that it wasn't 'anti-American' because I didn't want to come across as prejudice by comparing the Eu to a US server.

[petegunn]

I've been playing here since 2008 and to be honest, i've had more of a welcome than what I ever recieved on ddo Europa thats playing both Lyrandir and Aureon.

If you set high expectations you leave yourself open to disappointment.

[Srozbun]

I always make it a point to thank a group for any runs/raids unless it was very unpleasant for me (put 90% of the time it's not). Most people I encounter also do this I believe. Usually when groups go smoothly and exp is flowing nicely I find people are more amiable when they leave. A few times though people just drop group promptly as soon as they complete the quest. Makes me feel kind of used when that happens but nothing you can do about it. Just move on.

[TEcarson]

Although they were both American, they were also both men, could have been both FtP, both young-uns, etc. What I mean is, I'm not saying there is one kind of person, just that there is a difference between the two servers. I only really specified that it wasn't 'anti-American' because I didn't want to come across as prejudice by comparing the Eu to a US server.

I understand. Thanks for the reply.

BTW, I totally agree with you...it doesn't take that long for a group to break after running, so letting folks say "thanks" and "so long" isn't that big of a deal.

I would much rather run with polite folks than the opposite.

+1 to you.

[Waukeen]

Pugging thelanis is what it is...

I say hello to folks if I know em by name or guild I bump into often, but other than that a quiet sense of detachment is the reason why I PuG.

the boot thing is rude,

but I often drop when out of a quest/raid and hop into something else.

I do say thx via chat or voice if things went well, but often do not wait long for the sendoffs

want more pleasantries, join a guild that suits the sense of comrade-ness you seek.

[soloman]

Looks like they are trying to dump you before you dump them.....must be women

[petegunn]

Pugging thelanis is what it is...

I say hello to folks if I know em by name or guild I bump into often, but other than that a quiet sense of detachment is the reason why I PuG.

the boot thing is rude,

but I often drop when out of a quest/raid and hop into something else.

I do say thx via chat or voice if things went well, but often do not wait long for the sendoffs

want more pleasantries, join a guild that suits the sense of comrade-ness you seek.

Would you like Khell to join two kings Sladdi? Two kings one queen has a certain ring to it. I like it, in fact I like it a lot big fella.

[Rasczak]

1. the last sentence is meant for the "Note" section about Asian and was not meant to be added to the comment towards the OP. I apologize to the op about that one.

2. You realize I was trying to clear it up. I understand what the op is trying to get across and was explaining how to not make it "out of context", by not bringing up Ethnicity when it isn't about it.

Which is why I said it wasn't ever about that. The OP intentionally said it was about the servers and not aimed at americans. The reason she brought it up was because people see the word American and ignore the rest. Any way you look at it, high horses will be mounted.

I also chimed in on this entire thread because I know Khello from Euro and know that everything people are accusing her of...well I laughed because they really do ignore the crux of the matter. If people don't want to take a statement in it's entirety and instead remove keywords and comment on them, ignoring the actual issue, then they have nothing worth listening to. There is a massive difference between US servers and American people. One is a location and one is a nationality. The OP was on location.

Let me point you to another post of the OP that came way before any of the fingers started being pointed...

Although they were both American, they were also both men, could have been both FtP, both young-uns, etc. What I mean is, I'm not saying there is one kind of person, just that there is a difference between the two servers. I only really specified that it wasn't 'anti-American' because I didn't want to come across as prejudice by comparing the Eu to a US server.

Nothing left to be said except people will take offence because they are looking to take offence.

[Amoneth]

Which is why I said it wasn't ever about that. The OP intentionally said it was about the servers and not aimed at americans. The reason she brought it up was because people see the word American and ignore the rest. Any way you look at it, high horses will be mounted.

I also chimed in on this entire thread because I know Khello from Euro and know that everything people are accusing her of...well I laughed because they really do ignore the crux of the matter. If people don't want to take a statement in it's entirety and instead remove keywords and comment on them, ignoring the actual issue, then they have nothing worth listening to. There is a massive difference between US servers and American people. One is a location and one is a nationality. The OP was on location.

Let me point you to another post of the OP that came way before any of the fingers started being pointed...

Nothing left to be said except people will take offence because they are looking to take offence.

*hugs* and thanks for saying it better than I did

[shablala]

I'm an American, and since I have played the game I joined several guilds and Pugged with pretty much anyone and everyone. Without a doubt, my current guild, which is mostly made up of EU players, made me consolidate all my toons into it. The manners, etiquette, politeness, of the majority of EU players I have played with, by far, exceeds that of the typical american player.

But please give us Americans a little credit, we are definitely not as bad as the Brazilians.

[NaturalHazard]

I realise I'm probably going to get absolutely SLATED for this but stuff it, I need to vent.

I'll start by saying that I know a few Americans in real life and they are all very polite (more so than me) so this is definitely not an attack on Americans, more an observation about a few people on the server compared to my experience in the Eu.

I know I'm probably being soft because I'm used to better manners but crikey there are so many people out there that leave a group without saying a word, not even 'ty bb' or even 'bb' if they haven't had a good time.

Then there's the 'Yes I want that item', no 'pls', 'ty' or anything.

And in all the years I've played, I've never been kicked from a group for saying 'Thanks for the group, cya' but it's happened to me twice in one week here. I mean, is it really necessary to save those few seconds between me saying I'm leaving to allowing people to say goodbye before I go?

*Hides behind a big WF before the flames come her way*

P.S. It's not all bad by any means, I've met some very nice people over here

I dont know about your server but for me your pretty lucky i mean if thats the worst you have come accross. I have come accross people who have sworn and abused me on party chat and even had people use racist remarks abuse ect. Bye and large most people have been nice and wonderful but if you get enough people together some of them are going to turn out to be jerks.

And no not all of those people where americans, most where though, 1 was canadian :P. Not that their nationality matters, i dont think americans are more rude than other people but I think they make the large majority of the people playing so chances are most of the good people you meet are going to be americans and most of the bad people are prob going to be american as well.

[Rasczak]

I only have one requirement in any PUG I lead.

Say hello, answer now and then........then I know you exist, you're there and you're with us.
Giving out instructions and not getting a reply....well.....

Pleasantries? Pssssshhhh they strangers to me anyway, so it doesn't bug me that much if they rude. There are a lot more people here than Europe plus this is the only place to play now so you're going to find every type of person...it's not the US server, it's the planet

[Mithran]

American courtesy is quickly becoming a lost art, especially in games where there is a high proportion of kids. The level of discourtesy in WoW was a major factor in how delighted I was to be here, four and a half years ago.

It's grown a bit worse since F2P, but if a raid or group has gone well and there hasn't been any drama, I'll always sign out with "Thanks for the raid, everyone. Nice run."

Another art that is quickly being lost in The United States is the ability to use capitalization, punctuation and spelling accurately. For someone like me who takes both courtesy and grammar very seriously (some might say compulsively), I'm a bit less alarmed and a bit more resigned than I was, when I was younger. Nevertheless, I read your post with sympathy.