Ranged combat vs PvP

[Astraghal]

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There is zero skill in PvP. There is next to no skill involved in playing casters at all. In fact very little skill is required for DDO in general. This is mainly due to the game mechanics and the fact that you are always facing AI opponents.

Once you grind the gear, learn the maps, the spawn points, the number behind the mobs and the patterns of the AI, the only meaningful variables are whether you rolled a 1 or a 20.

If you want to compete in a battle of wits and hand-eye coordination against real human opponents, take your bunny hopping and circle strafing skills and go play Quake Live!

I'd like to see how long most people who play DDO would last in an FPS.

Not long I imagine, considering what seems to qualify as skill in this game.

[flynnjsw]

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There is zero skill in PvP. There is next to no skill involved in playing casters at all. In fact very little skill is required for DDO in general. This is mainly due to the game mechanics and the fact that you are always facing AI opponents.

Once you grind the gear, learn the maps, the spawn points, the number behind the mobs and the patterns of the AI, the only meaningful variables are whether you rolled a 1 or a 20.

If you want to compete in a battle of wits and hand-eye coordination against real human opponents, take your bunny hopping and circle strafing skills and go play Quake Live!

I'd like to see how long most people who play DDO would last in an FPS.

Not long I imagine, considering what seems to qualify as skill in this game.

My other game is CoD4. My online gaming addiction actually came from CS, DoD, and the other Valve games before I switched to SOCOM, and then to CoD4.

I actually used to detest MMO's because of PvP. This game's lack of focus on PvP was one of the biggest draws for me.

[Creeper]

I'd like to see how long most people who play DDO would last in an FPS.

Not long I imagine, considering what seems to qualify as skill in this game.

By "most people who play DDO" you mean yourself right?

[Astraghal]

My other game is CoD4. My online gaming addiction actually came from CS, DoD, and the other Valve games before I switched to SOCOM, and then to CoD4.

I actually used to detest MMO's because of PvP. This game's lack of focus on PvP was one of the biggest draws for me.

I came from Quake III Arena/Team Fortress 2 background.

By "most people who play DDO" you mean yourself right?

No, I primarily play FPS games, with the odd MMO every now and then.

Games where you have multiple human opponents all trying to kill you at once.

Here's a few examples of me engaged in some real PvP.


http://www.youtube.com/user/privateh.../1/jVCSGCH2a1Q

http://www.youtube.com/user/privateh.../4/77jFNvypn0Y

http://www.youtube.com/user/privateh...11/wcLLgTOZfD8

http://www.youtube.com/user/privateh...13/9J2ehOCxJyE

http://www.youtube.com/user/privateh...14/geGjwVXILOo

http://www.youtube.com/user/privateh...15/Et_e-92heeE

http://www.youtube.com/user/privateh...23/6k5y26Cdipo

[Creeper]

I came from Quake III Arena/Team Fortress 2 background.


No, I primarily play FPS games, with the odd MMO every now and then.

Games where you have multiple human opponents all trying to kill you at once.

Here's a few examples of me engaged in some real PvP.

Those are so awesome man. Here is an example of when I used to play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

(I'm the guy with the coat.)

[Glenalth]

I understand perfectly well how the game works. I know blocking negates Slayer Arrows but no caster can survive a Manyshot from a lvl 18+ without healing. When you heal is when the stat damage and/or Slayer Arrows get ya'.

Dodge, Dip, Duck, Dive, and Dodge.

Seriously. Get out of the way or get AC, those are the counters to being attacked, ranged or not.

[Zilta]

a wf sorc with over 500 hp is nothing special

[h4x0r1f1c]

Dodge, Dip, Duck, Dive, and Dodge.

Seriously. Get out of the way or get AC, those are the counters to being attacked, ranged or not.

You said Dodge twice and you can't Dip or Duck and the only thing like a Dive would be with a Tumble of 30+.

Warforged Sorcerers do not ever get enough AC plus Slayer Arrows proc on a 20 which is an auto-hit.

Like I could really move side-to-side and not get killed LOL right.. Good suggestion.

[Glenalth]

You said Dodge twice and you can't Dip or Duck and the only thing like a Dive would be with a Tumble of 30+.

Warforged Sorcerers do not ever get enough AC plus Slayer Arrows proc on a 20 which is an auto-hit.

Like I could really move side-to-side and not get killed LOL right.. Good suggestion.

It's not a proc on a 20, it's a proc on a vorpal strike which is a 20 followed by a confirmation to-hit roll.

You can move side-to-side and not get hit by arrows. It's a major feature of this game.

[protokon]

You said Dodge twice and you can't Dip or Duck and the only thing like a Dive would be with a Tumble of 30+.

movie reference check: fail (dodgeball)

Warforged Sorcerers do not ever get enough AC plus Slayer Arrows proc on a 20 which is an auto-hit.

Like I could really move side-to-side and not get killed LOL right.. Good suggestion.

for someone who is obsessed with PvP, I am surprised that you are ignorant in the fine game mechanics that allow you to counter what you are complaining about; something that requires actual skill (twitching) rather than simply button mashing your spells.

simple solution is to move on to a more pvp-oriented game my friend.

[Hendrik]

*snip*

simple solution is to move on to a more pvp-oriented game my friend.

While simple, yes, he would still get slaughtered in any game. Imagine what would happen to him in a game that was actually made with PvP in mind instead of an afterthought....

[Creeper]

While simple, yes, he would still get slaughtered in any game. Imagine what would happen to him in a game that was actually made with PvP in mind instead of an afterthought....

Dear OP,

If you wanna make a really good PVP character I would make a WF sorc with a lot of hps. Surely no one will be able to kill you then.

[h4x0r1f1c]

Anyone with Manyshot can grab a W/E bow and purchase a Scarab of Spell Asborption from the AH.

They can bring any arcane's STR to 0 making them unable to repair or defend themselves.

Even when blocking, Manyshot's 20 seconds and a W/E bow will bring even an an 18str to 0.

If you drink a Lesser Restoration pot another arrow hits and your STR remains 0.

Since nobody wants to nerf anything so how about some arrow absorption items?

This is the PvP forum so if you don't like PvP keep it to yourself and kindly reply elsewhere.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

From a strictly PvP perspective...no.

Stop trying to nerf anything that is a weakness for your particular build.

Arrows are supposed to hurt.

[k1ngp1n]

No. There is an in-game mechanic to prevent 'arrows' from damaging you - damage reduction. Stat damage is independent of arrows themselves.

[Jakarr]

Naw no thanks, waste of the devs time. Also you would have to bring that Arrow Absorp item into PvE as well and imo it would be a little overpowered as in alot of places there are alot of mobs who use a bow.

For a 20s manyshot you are looking at around what.....around 80-100 arrows. If I could have a item that absorbed 80-100 arrows it would make my life in pve a ton easier. So say we balanced it for PvE I go with about 50 which a manyshot would still own you.

so /notsigned


Side note I love PvP.....just dont think it has a place in DDO

[TheDearLeader]

You could always splash enough monk to get deflect arrows - its 1 less per 6 seconds.

And by the way, this is still a "Suggestion" of yours. Just because its a Suggestion about PvP doesn't change that it is a Suggestion, or a request for a new/improved item. Putting it in the PvP forums instead of the Suggestion forums doesn't give you an immunity to people ripping your idea a new one.

There's an item that will make you immune to their arrows - your keyboard. Hit Alt + F4, and I promise they'll be unable to hit you with their bows any further.

[TheDearLeader]

For a 20s manyshot you are looking at around what.....around 80-100 arrows. If I could have a item that absorbed 80-100 arrows it would make my life in pve a ton easier. So say we balanced it for PvE I go with about 50 which a manyshot would still own you.

Oh yeah, this too. The amount of charges it would have to have to survive a Manyshot in PvP would be game-breaking in PvE. And no, no one's asking as Dev to make you a PvP specific item.

[Tolero]

Next person to post something other than feedback to this thread gets a date with the Cube.

[h4x0r1f1c]

From a strictly PvP perspective...no.

Stop trying to nerf anything that is a weakness for your particular build.

Arrows are supposed to hurt.

I fail to see your argument here.

Arrows are supposed to hurt. Yep.

Meteor Swarms and Scorching Rays aren't?

If we're not to nerf anything then what do arcanes do?

Get ganked and die? Find some non-existant way that gets bashed over the forums to survive it then drain their spell absorption all before the enemy runs out for 2 minutes to strike again?