Ranged combat vs PvP

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

Monks lose unarmed combat too right?

Ooh...forgot about that...methinks just reducing their unarmed dice and removing any of their ki powers would suffice.

Thanks for pointing that out...wouldn't want the OP to get pwn'd by monks now...

[Jacaroma]

It seems like you need to be asked the most important question about PvP... Umadbro?

[Glenalth]

Okay y'all say no nerfs, right? Fine. You guys also hate PvP so no need to use Manyshot in there right?

My reason for this is there are people who inch their way towards the opening of the PvP area in The Wayward Lobster, select you, and back away.

Meanwhile, you're minding your own business being cool w/ over 600 HP and stuff then zoom! A ranger runs through the door, into the pit, throwing CON damage and Slayer Arrows and Lightning Strike at you while hopping around.

You block, going all "w-t-f man" and try to select them but halflings are so tiny you can't and they have a Mantle of the Worldshaper so you have to throw Magic Missile at them before you can stun, right?

Well they also have Favored Enemy Construct and even though you threw a Reconstruct boom! Slayer Arrows.. like always.

You go up top feeling all "Wow how lame seriously they don't come when I'm sitting there blocking waiting for them they gotta' ambush and run out how weak otherwise I'd own them" and some do and you prove it to them. Most just gank and wait 2 minutes to try again.

Well, if rangers are so weak they need Manyshot in PvE that's fine with me. Don't let it be used in Public Places though.

Otherwise, let me throw Wall of Fire down all over the front so it'll drain some of their charges when they run in.

Also, I used to monitor them. When I saw one from the Search thing appear in a quest I'd be all relaxed. When I saw they were in the lobster I got ready. Now they set themselves to Anonymous and send other people in first to distract me.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge.

[Memnir]

No thank you.
Many Shot is WAI, and is a key feature of the Ranger class.
Since you seem to have difficulty in dealing with that particular class feature - may I suggest either stop PvPing with Rangers, or find another way of dealing with it.

[stainer]

Dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge.

http://video.adultswim.com/metalocal...usky-ohio.html

Reminds me of this.

[PopeJual]

If I were to make a ranger I'd be PWS immune and not rely on Slayer Arrows or cheap tricks.

Then why are you playing a WF arcane caster in the PvP arena?
Cheap tricks are what casters are all about in PvP.

[Healsavant]

Once the update comes out and monks can stun from a distance he will have something to complain about other than me, sorry to all that are negatively affected by his posts, for it was me that created this monster

[Glenalth]

Once the update comes out and monks can stun from a distance he will have something to complain about other than me, sorry to all that are negatively affected by his posts, for it was me that created this monster

Can you teach him how to dodge? Would probably clear up at least 1/2 of his posts.

[Stormanne]

You know, this has probably been said before, but I think I have this guy figured out. The reason he sticks around and keeps making so many PvP suggestions (read: desired nerfs to everyone and everything but him) is that he has gone and played all the games we keep directing him too (WoW, WAR, AoC, etc.) . And in doing so, keeps getting his posterior royally wrecked. Only by coming to a game that has PvP only as an afterthought, can he get the fulfillment he so desperately desires...the feeling of being the best. Unfortunately and sadly, he's the best at something that so very few us care about.

[Glenalth]

You know, this has probably been said before, but I think I have this guy figured out. The reason he sticks around and keeps making so many PvP suggestions (read: desired nerfs to everyone and everything but him) is that he has gone and played all the games we keep directing him too (WoW, WAR, AoC, etc.) . And in doing so, keeps getting his posterior royally wrecked. Only by coming to a game that has PvP only as an afterthought, can he get the fulfillment he so desperately desires...the feeling of being the best. Unfortunately and sadly, he's the best at something that so very few us care about.

The best other than Arcane Archers apparently.

[Stormanne]

The best other than Arcane Archers apparently.

touche

[Chai]

You know, this has probably been said before, but I think I have this guy figured out. The reason he sticks around and keeps making so many PvP suggestions (read: desired nerfs to everyone and everything but him) is that he has gone and played all the games we keep directing him too (WoW, WAR, AoC, etc.) . And in doing so, keeps getting his posterior royally wrecked. Only by coming to a game that has PvP only as an afterthought, can he get the fulfillment he so desperately desires...the feeling of being the best. Unfortunately and sadly, he's the best at something that so very few us care about.

The best at being a pincushion for level 18+ rangers....

In PVP the reality is there is always someone who can beat you due to their class having the tools to own your class, regardless of skill. This is true in all those other games as well.

Want to know what hell looks like for a PVPer in WOW. They get killed by hunters so often they get fed up and peeved, so they roll up a hunter because they think its so great. Then they learn how rogues stun lock hunters to death every time, get sick of that, so they grind out an uber rogue, only to learn about how shaman and paladins can just green rogues sans effort. After they grind out that uber paladin, they get flogged repeatedly by that same hunter run and shoot tactic....

There is no such thing a being unkillable in PVP games. The minute there is, the nerf bat swings.

This guy should be happy that rangers are the only thing his WF sorc has a hard time with....

[Stormanne]

The best at being a pincushion for level 18+ rangers....

In PVP the reality is there is always someone who can beat you due to their class having the tools to own your class, regardless of skill. This is true in all those other games as well.

Want to know what hell looks like for a PVPer in WOW. They get killed by hunters so often they get fed up and peeved, so they roll up a hunter because they think its so great. Then they learn how rogues stun lock hunters to death every time, get sick of that, so they grind out an uber rogue, only to learn about how shaman and paladins can just green rogues sans effort. After they grind out that uber paladin, they get flogged repeatedly by that same hunter run and shoot tactic....

There is no such thing a being unkillable in PVP games. The minute there is, the nerf bat swings.

This guy should be happy that rangers are the only thing his WF sorc has a hard time with....

I know, those other games are balanced and re-balanced to keep it from being lopsided for any one class.

Something that just occurred to me, and those that are more lore savvy can correct me if I'm wrong. With him being a WF, shouldn't he be more worried about Smiting weapons. And, given that the WF aren't technically alive, but merely sentient, shouldn't death ward/death block and bypassing it be a non-issue for him. Meh, probably just semantics or not fitting with lore...

[Glenalth]

I know, those other games are balanced and re-balanced to keep it from being lopsided for any one class.

Something that just occurred to me, and those that are more lore savvy can correct me if I'm wrong. With him being a WF, shouldn't he be more worried about Smiting weapons. And, given that the WF aren't technically alive, but merely sentient, shouldn't death ward/death block and bypassing it be a non-issue for him. Meh, probably just semantics or not fitting with lore...

Deathblock stops smiting, just like it stops vorpal.

Warforged are living beings, they even get the Living Construct creature type.

[ThePrincipal]

Dispel is so funny in pvp. I watch him dance and stunn lvl 7 fighters then just jump down and gank him. Play like a dog, die like a dog.

[96th_Malice]

Okay y'all say no nerfs, right? Fine. You guys also hate PvP so no need to use Manyshot in there right?

Well, if rangers are so weak they need Manyshot in PvE that's fine with me. Don't let it be used in Public Places though.

First ... if the rangers are so weak ...... how come every single post you put up here in the PvP forums your trying to nerf their feats and abilities ?

Second .... Your whining about archers is starting to bore me ...... I have 13 of em and PvP with 8 of them and I love it and believe me "your type" of toons can most definitly beat any AA ... You just need to figure out what works best for you

Loose manyshot in public areas LOL .... Hehe you melee types can be silly sometimes!

[CaptainCameo]

I'm not an arcane archer. But I am a ranger, so manyshot comes naturally to me. At lvl 14, It was possible for me to beat lvl 20 monks and fighters because: 1, I could hold my own in close combat and 2, I had manyshot to blast them while I was running away. I still died many times though because those people were skilled.

Now explain to me why we should nerf archers, when all you have to do is be slightly sneaky and trip them from behind? They can't fire many arrows on their backs. Or did you not think of that?

[stoopid_cowboy]

With a Superior Freeze III and the Sorcerer Capstone I've hit for 1,750-something on PvPers.

So you think slaying arrows need to be nerfed because the 500hp they deal is overpowered? Dood please.....
Your polar ray can crit for over 3 TIMES the damage of a slaying arrow. What is next? My barbarian can crit for 500+ with a minII GA. That mean I should PvP with a nerf bat from now on?

Anyone up for a ToD?

[sephiroth1084]

I find it ridiculous that a sorcerer is complaining about a ranger. Hax, learn how to play your class.

[cpito]

Name 1 other sorcerer on any server than has even 500.

LOL I can name about 8 on Ghallanda just off the top of my head. If I thought about it and asked around, I would find a whole lot more than that. Stop thinking that a wf sorc with 500+ hp is an original thing in this game.