TR from pure to this?

[Moggman]

sitting @ 404 hp as pure rogue atm and wanting more + fitting in more feats and OTWF for my 2nd RadII im crafting
opinions? viable? will spash in tomes when i finish my collection only have dex and int atm =/

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(1 Fighter \ 13 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 280
Spell Points: 25 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 17
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    20
Dexterity            16                    18
Constitution         14                    15
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             10                    10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               5                    16
Bluff                 0                     4
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy             0                     0
Disable Device        n/a                  26
Haggle                0                     1
Heal                  1                     1
Hide                  7                    31
Intimidate            0                     0
Jump                  7                    28
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         7                    33
Open Lock             n/a                  27
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                6                    25
Spot                  3                    22
Swim                  5                     9
Tumble                5                    16
Use Magic Device      2                    23

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Lawful Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense


Level 11 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical


Level 13 (Rogue)


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Defensive Roll
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Dexterity I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Rogue Item Defense I
Enhancement: Rogue Item Defense II
Enhancement: Rogue Item Defense III
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I

[ghettoGenius]

It's viable, but you'll do much less dps than your pure rogue. Dont think OTWF is really necessary unless you are running epics non-stop and even then you should be ok with buffs and divine power clickies.

Dodge and Power Critical have me scratching my head though. Your AC will be abysmal, especially not being dex based and missing monk lvls, lose Dodge. If you feel your to-hit is that bad that you need both OTWF and Power Crit then you may want to re-think this approach. Do all strength based rogues have this problem?

[Moggman]

It's viable, but you'll do much less dps than your pure rogue. Dont think OTWF is really necessary unless you are running epics non-stop and even then you should be ok with buffs and divine power clickies.

Dodge and Power Critical have me scratching my head though. Your AC will be abysmal, especially not being dex based and missing monk lvls, lose Dodge. If you feel your to-hit is that bad that you need both OTWF and Power Crit then you may want to re-think this approach. Do all strength based rogues have this problem?

TBH power crit was a filler, didnt see much of anything else to get. My current rogue is dex based weapon finese feated however i seem to hit like a pansy on norm dmg atk's (not counting SA or any other types of dmg) no current DP clicky's just kinda eyeballing atm and looking for insight. Not to Mention after a little numbers crunching i notice im only gaining 16 raw hp vs my pure at the moment.

[hermespan]

Take barbarian instead of fighter. Rage and 10% movement speed increase 4tw.

FYI if you take tempest I with your ranger levels, and go assassin II, you'll do more overall damage than assassin III because of the increased attack speed and rage.

Look up the Tasmanian Devil build. 13Rogue/6Ranger/1Barb. Currently the highest dps build in the game according to the number crunchers. I'm building one now. The build says go halfling to max your damage, but I went human for the extra feat. I 3 manned threnal west yesterday with a cleric and a bard. I got 90% of the kills of course, but we cut through those quests like butter on normal at 6 ranger/3 rogue. The bard we were playing with kind of ran ahead and got stuff aggroed on him, which actually worked for me for sneak attack. I was two shotting most things. Renders and elementals were tough, but not that tough. I don't even wear armor any more because I have a deathblock robe. The dps is so good I kill stuff usually before it does much damage.

At less than half way through this build it's already shining. Drop power crit. Improved crit 4tw.

Check out the build. It's similar to what you have, but better in some subtle ways.

[Sydril]

FYI if you take tempest I with your ranger levels, and go assassin II, you'll do more overall damage than assassin III because of the increased *off hand attack proc* and rage.

fixed that for ya.