This game is a sad joke!

[Ltshark1980]

(yes this is my first post)

SO your new to game and level 20. Yup you won't be getting into any good guilds, because they don;t allow new people. Wanna do epics? sorry no your not in a good guild so we don't think your good enough for our PUG. Oh you have never done an epic yet? Nope sorry we cannot take you then. This guild only takes in people who have done all epics and all raids.....blah bloody freakin blah.

Your new guild renown system has created a virtual wall for the "cool kids". They now have a reason to form wicked cliques where new people have no chance at surviving anywhere in this game. Shame on you Turbine for your guild renown.

As a fromer player of Star War Galaxies, Vanguard, Tabula Rasa, World of Warcraft, City of Hereos, EverQuest, and many many other games, as well as a game programmer myself, shame on you.

You have created a place where new people suffer at the expense of the old players, who see no room for new people because as a rule new people don't know the game. Welcome to a time period where a game that forces guilds too late and in fact begind to deter new players and thus buries itself in the downfall of its own game.

(golf claps)

and yes I did play this game during beta, don't let start time fool you.

[Visty]

if you only solo, ofc you dont get into any guilds

[AZgreentea]

What did you do to make so many people upset that they wont run PUGS with you? Are they refusing to run in PUGS you are creating as well, or are you not trying to make PUGS, only join?

[Greeka]

You could always create a new guild and take in all the new cool kids and help them get to 20 to do all the content you desire to do at epic and raid level.

Cheers and best of luck with your new guild.

[Chai]

There arent more elitists here than there were in WOW, SWG, or EQ1 or 2, however there were alot more NON elitists in those games.

My recommendation to you is form a guild, get everyone at least one level 20 toon, and then do epics, raids, or whatever else you want. There are plenty of people in DDO with the same goals, play level, and experience level as you have, you just have to find them. Its better in my opinion to grow in experience and play ability with the people you game with on a regular basis, day by day.

[Yajerman01]

You earn your spurs bud. BEcome good and a small guild will invite you, keep pugging and working your way up and a middle size guild will invite you iif your a decent player. Eventually if you become proficient and skilled in the way of DDO you'll get an invite from a higher tiered guild that does heavy raiding only.

Be that as it may and as to your opening line, its an oxymoron, jokes are funny, never sad...

and...

Hi welcome!

[Ltshark1980]

Obviously I have been in a few groups if you MyDDO me, there is 1 piece of Lorrik;s, Dragontouched armor, and a greensteel item.

Make a new char at high level or any level for that matter above 12. You will notice wait times of 30 minutes sometimes more to even feel a group whether you join a PUG or make one.

Also, most of the established guilds no longer leave room for PUGs. They now have close their doors and only do in guild quests/raids, and alliance guilds to fill in the cracks. There is no room for the new people because the big guilds have formed an interesting alliance among themselves, which is barring new people from anything.

[hydra_ex]

Well, there's gear for one thing.

Of course any new player won't have the gear. Without gear, you're ad a major disadvantage.

Also, try incremental guilding. Join a certain guild you can get into, which occasionally does a few epics, then get a hang for it, and leave eventually. There's no reason not to accept a new guy into an epic run; but if he has bad gear/build, why would you even consider it?

Of course, there are many groups who won't take a new player into an epic, but if you're shot down every time, maybe it's not anything to do with them after all.

PS Guild renown has nothing to do with it; it's completely irrelevant.

[Ltshark1980]

lol the oxymoron was the joke....at least one person got it!

[KingOfCheese]

I see pug runs up all the time for end game raids and quests (including epic).

Non-guilded power-gamers looking to join guilds tend to get spotted quickly in such pugs runs and are actively recruited.

I have a hard time imagining a solid player not getting identified and picked up--even if they aren't actively looking to get recruited, let alone if they are looking.

That is, unless they have a bad attitude or give off other signs of being a drama creator.

I would recommend joining such pug runs (or forming them) and being careful to keep a good attitude (some of the language in your post was a little dramatastic--which I why I offer this latter advice).

[Emili]

I invite new players all the time. To groups, To guild and wager to say is among some of the oldest of guilds in game. I rub elbows with power gamers and casual players alike.

[Srozbun]

(yes this is my first post)

SO your new to game and level 20. Yup you won't be getting into any good guilds, because they don;t allow new people. Wanna do epics? sorry no your not in a good guild so we don't think your good enough for our PUG. Oh you have never done an epic yet? Nope sorry we cannot take you then. This guild only takes in people who have done all epics and all raids.....blah bloody freakin blah.

Your new guild renown system has created a virtual wall for the "cool kids". They now have a reason to form wicked cliques where new people have no chance at surviving anywhere in this game. Shame on you Turbine for your guild renown.

As a fromer player of Star War Galaxies, Vanguard, Tabula Rasa, World of Warcraft, City of Hereos, EverQuest, and many many other games, as well as a game programmer myself, shame on you.

You have created a place where new people suffer at the expense of the old players, who see no room for new people because as a rule new people don't know the game. Welcome to a time period where a game that forces guilds too late and in fact begind to deter new players and thus buries itself in the downfall of its own game.

(golf claps)

and yes I did play this game during beta, don't let start time fool you.

First, let me preface this by saying I'm not on Arg, but I'm pretty sure the following should apply to your server:

1) Many good guilds will accept new players as long as they will listen to advice and display a good attitude. Maybe some of the elite end game raiding guilds are more picky but most solid guilds will judge a player based on their attitude and playstyle than equipment. Equipment is easily acquired. Personality, not so easy.

2) Epics are not meant for people to be run as soon as they hit level 20 imo. There should be a level of accountability on each person applying to join the run. You're DPS but you don't have 100% fort and only 300 HP? Don't have decent weapons or a well planned build? You will probably have problems hitting mobs and contributing your share of DPS. Run some raids first for better gear, then go into epics.

3) Most raids are not very picky about who they take. Unless you're level 20 without full fort, low life, and a flaming longsword of maiming.

4) No one really cares about guild renown. Most guild leaders if they're picky and they don't recognize your guild will simply MyDDO you. Many don't care if you have tier 3 GS or not. They are simply looking for enough HP to survive without a babysitter, weapons that can bypass DR (in raids where it applies), and fortification.

If you're new, you can't expect to just get into elite raiding guilds and get carried through raid completions for all your gear. But there should be many who are solid and will allow you to run with them. Also, join PuGs, find guilds who suit your personality who you enjoy grouping with, and apply to join them.

[Tholar]

I am in a small guild, were are not extremely high level. I PUG frequently, and never have an issue finding a group. Sometimes groups take a little while to fill, other times they fill extremely fast.

By the fact you have Lorriks, you are a healer. That should be even easier.

[KoboldKiller]

Retracted

[Ltshark1980]

I am not interested in flaming anyone. However, I did notice quite a few posts that attacked my personality through a "nice" way without stating so. You have shown your true colors with your condesending responses.

Thank you to the majorty of everyone's replies. THey are filled with great information to give me a new attitude towards the game. I will continue to look for people that don't judge immediately on first response and simply play this game to enjoy it.

To the people that have responded with remarks of what did you do and accusing situations, Knock it off, this is not a playground.

[Ltshark1980]

Maybe you should substitute "post" for "game" in your title.

How do you add infraction points to someone like this that is clearly flaming me in a "nice" way for posting something?

[KoboldKiller]

I am not interested in flaming anyone. However, I did notice quite a few posts that attacked my personality through a "nice" way without stating so. You have shown your true colors with your condesending responses.

Thank you to the majorty of everyone's replies. THey are filled with great information to give me a new attitude towards the game. I will continue to look for people that don't judge immediately on first response and simply play this game to enjoy it.

To the people that have responded with remarks of what did you do and accusing situations, Knock it off, this is not a playground.

I don't see it as an accusation they are simply asking what you did as there experience is not similar to yours. The simple fact is NITHING has changed with guild renown in regards to how guilds run high level raids. Many of the major guilds have ALWAYS ran it guild only or alliance only as they know those people can handle it. Many of these runs are done by people who are farming and want to get it done as quickly as possible. However there have been many open pugs for raids that I have seen (although some are exclusive in their LFM's). regardless this has nothing to do with the guild renown system.

[KoboldKiller]

How do you add infraction points to someone like this that is clearly flaming me in a "nice" way for posting something?

Actually I retracted my statement after you copied it but feel free to contact a moderator.

[Redlotusninjagrl]

Wow! My guild isn't elitist, I pug often to recruit good players or even mediocre to crappy players who can listen and follow directions. And I know I am not the only person like this. And my guild isn't the only guild like this. In fact, I find it hard to find people past level 7 that aren't guilded unless they just choose not to be. You have gotten good advice here.

[sigtrent]

A. Your whining because you haven't gotten exactly what you want. Boo hoo.

B. Your new to the game and level 20, how does that work exactly?

C. Guilds are foremost groups of friends that like playing together. All builds are cliquish, they are clubs, thats how clubs work. If you want in a club you get to know the members, you prove you are the kind of person they like to play with, then you get in. You don't demand entrance by divine right.

D. If you want to run Epics, just start your own groups, or start your own guild. If you aren't good enough, keep working at it. If you don't want to do the work, don't expect to get a privilege.

E. There are tons of non exclusive guilds out there, they just don't raid and do epics all the time. Consider why that might be and perhaps you will have learned something.