High AC/DC/Save/evasion CC amidoingitrite?

[sofa]

I like the general idea from Valiances http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=164323 . What I want, however is a cleric that is more caster focused with the other benefits taking a backseat. I went human to pick up a feat, but I feel like the feat selection and order could use some help. Also I dont know if the stat selection is optimal. Im planning this build with tomes in my mind, but I only KNOW ill have +1s available at level 4 other tomes will be available when my main finds them. So goals here in order of importance #1 Casting ability #2 AC #3 Ability to Solo #4 Melee

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(2 Monk \ 1 Rogue \ 17 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 178
Spell Points: 1102 
BAB: 13\13\18\23
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 12
Will: 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength              8                     9
Dexterity            14                    15
Constitution         10                    10
Intelligence         13                    14
Wisdom               18                    24
Charisma             11                    12

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 4
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 4
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 4
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 4
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 4

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                    24
Bluff                 0                     1
Concentration         4                    23
Diplomacy             4                     6
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                0                     1
Heal                  8                    11
Hide                  2                     2
Intimidate            0                     1
Jump                 -1                     4
Listen                4                     7
Move Silently         2                     2
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                1                     2
Spot                  4                     7
Swim                 -1                    -1
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      2                    24

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Combat Expertise
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse


Level 5 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration


Level 16 (Cleric)


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Defense


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)

[t0r012]

Wow , some stuff in there that you really should consider changing.

In big bold letters , more CON. I say drop the Wis to 16 to get more con.

Why did you splash rogue for UMD and not take rogue at level 1? I have to question the choice of UMD and rogue in this build at all. With 17or18 levels of cleric what s the UMD for?

Are you going to be using kamas as your weapons? that is the only way with a centered monk that two weapon defense will work. sure you don't need to be centered to take advantage of most of the monk abilities you are after. Yet taking TWF tells me you are looking for some combat ability which works much better when centered.
Since two weapon defense only works when you have weapons in hand your only centered option for weapons is kamas,
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for a human I would probably go a little more like this

str 10
dex 14
con 14
int 13
wis 16
cha 11


I'm not sure where you are trying to go with this build. I would personally drop the TWF and TWD as well as the rogue level myself. I don't see a major need to get UMD on a build that will be able to self heal and use scrolls without it.

[Syntax42]

If you want to be casting focused, drop the rogue splash and forget about meleeing. Your starting str is too low to melee effectively as it is.

Your int is also too high and could go into con. I know you probably did that for combat expertise, but it doubles the SP cost of spells while active. You should depend on Dex, Wis, buffs, and gear for AC. Get some displacement clickies for the times your AC isn't high enough.

You won't need skill points for anything other than concentration as a cleric, and even that is not necessary with quicken metamagic feat active. UMD is questionable on a healer. Most use it to cast heal scrolls. Your choice of dumping everything into balance is a good one, and may be the best way to spend your skill points.

Kiting through blade barrier is much more effective at killing things than melee. A casting cleric is a very effective soloer without giving up any grouping ability.

[Tobril]

I don't see a major need to get UMD on a build that will be able to self heal and use scrolls without it.

Waves of Exhaustion
GH (easier than carrying tons of girds)
Fire Shield
Reconstruct (bypass healing curse for WF)
Race Restricted equipment while leveling
Teleport

Probably a bunch more, these are just what I can think of off the top of my head.

[sofa]

The reason I think con is more expendable in this type of build is because ultimately i dont wanna be getting hit often. THat said is18 wis worth it on a casting build?

[Tobril]

The reason I think con is more expendable in this type of build is because ultimately i dont wanna be getting hit often. THat said is18 wis worth it on a casting build?

I intended to have Cindy Crawford as my personal maid.

You’re going to get hit at some point, so prepare to deal with it.

[Dragavon]

What I want, however is a cleric that is more caster focused with the other benefits taking a backseat.

If you want caster focus then get rid of any ideas you might have about multiclassing. Even one level splash is too much when you get to lvl 20 and have to beat the SR of mobs. You also want to boost your casting stat as high as possible, that means starting with 18 WIS.

You WILL need hitpoints. Start with at least 14 CON, and take one thoughness feat.

[JollySwagMan]

Did you check out the links I suggested in your other thread on this build?

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=271887

Note that the Valiance build is explicitly not friendly towards new players, and assumes you have already levelled a character to 20.

If you want caster focus then get rid of any ideas you might have about multiclassing. Even one level splash is too much when you get to lvl 20 and have to beat the SR of mobs. You also want to boost your casting stat as high as possible, that means starting with 18 WIS.

Oddly enough, for the highest Wis possible you'd want 1 level of Monk for access to the Water stance. That's the Toughness feat right there as well. However this still has all the impact of subtracting a level away from a caster.

[Polarkin]

Outside of what the others have posted there are two other large issues with your build:

1. Combat Expertise looks great on paper until you realize that in game it doubles the sp cost of your spells cast while it is active. With only 17 levels of cleric you are already looking at a more limited spell point pool and CE will drain it... FAST

An Extended, Maximized, Quickened Bladebarrier cast with CE running will cost you 150sp, and you'll be fortunate to hit 1600-1700 total sp on your build.

2. TWF is not a feat chain you *dabble* in. With only 1 TWF feat your offhand will only attack 40% of the time compared to 80% of the time base with all three TWF feats.

[sofa]

Well is there a viable solo build for a caster cleric?

[Dragavon]

Caster clerics is pretty straightforward.

Stay pure, max WIS, start with 14 CON and take one thoughness feat.

Take heighten, spell penetration and greater spell penetration feats. Also get the enhancements.

After that it is all about learning which spells to use

[Dawnsfire]

Well is there a viable solo build for a caster cleric?

I think Sirgog's Pure-classed Offensive Caster Cleric or especially the Melee-Capable Cleric (2nd and 3rd down) will work great for a solo build that leans on casting.

[Bloodlance]

I personally went with Halfling 1rogue/2monk/17cleric

I am lvl 11 now and it works like a charm. its a 32 point build tho. with +2 tomes at lvl 7.

Maxed my wisdom at start, and will put all points to wisdom only.

With correct weapons vs correct mob, meleeing them down is easy (even with 10 str, i have 20 str now with all the buffs and items etc (not much i know)). done a lot of hards and elites solo with personal healing npc cleric.

When one gets BB it becomes much easier to solo em quests.

Wilderness "bosses" are really easy, like a walk in a park. Tho i know it will become much harder later but i know already that its not a problem.

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I think i went something like this, but with Wisdom 18?, cutted the points from either cha or str. havent had any issues with my lowish con, yet.

Starting Stats (after halfling racial modifiers)
Str: 12
Dex: 16
Con: 10
Int: 10
Wis: 17
Cha: 11
Level up points into: Wisdom

Levelling order:
1 - Rogue
4, 5 - Monk
Others - Cleric

Feats:
1- Two-Weapon Fighting
3- Extend Spell
4- Weapon Finesse (monk bonus feat)
5- Power Attack (monk bonus)
6- Maximize Spell
9- Empower Spell
12- Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
15- Quicken Spell -------------------------> prolly will not take this as i am pro (empower healing or something like it, aura of healing is many nice)
18- Greate Two-Weapon Fighting

[DrNuegebauer]

I have to disagree with some of the previous posts on Con FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUILD.

You can certainly survive with 10 con (WITH THIS BUILD) - that is provided you grind out the necessary AC gear AND are prepared to grind out the plat for in game tomes.

Having said that, I'm not exactly sure what you think the Valiance build is?

With a starting 17 wisdom and a final 40 wisdom, it is certainly about as 'casting focussed' as you could possibly want.

The stated aims that you're after are more than covered by the 'Valiance' and in a better way than you are proposing here.

The thing you'd probably want to update for 'modern clerics' is to include the Radiant servant line. You could do that by dropping Empower, picking up Empower heal - your enhancements will be a squeeze, but you'll get there.

The other option to be better 'spell focussed' would be to take at least one spell pen feat in place of a TWF feat. Personally I'd recommend taking the TWF feat - but that's your call to make.

[Bloodlance]

if you learn fast and are comfortable with everything concerned healing etc. quicken can be taken off and replaced.

i dont think any of the melee feats should be replaced if you want to melee stuff. prolly good @ raid if you wanna hop in when one cleric is drained and you switch turns, while the 1st is regaining mana.

or well you could drop empower, not a biggy, personal choice really, dont mind me just babbling again.