Fighting AA Barb

[DustTheWind]

This is a new build I thought up reciently. Kind of a Fighting AA Barby. The build is a "very" tight fit but does seem to work... I think...

1 Sorc and Sorc Dragon Blood gets me 230 spell points which is more than enough for Arcane Archer.

6 fighter crams in the needed feats and also gets me Kensai (long bow) + Fighter haste boost II + Crit accuracy II + Strength II.

The 13 Barb. gets me Damage boost III + Sprint boost I + Crit rage I + Power Rage II + (Frenzied Beserker II My ultimate goal at the end gets at level 19)+ Barb Extend Rage IV + Barb Extra rage III + Constitution I + Faster Movement + Item defense 33%.

Elven gets me all the Arcane archer enhancements + Elven Ranged Damage II + Dex 1

So with multi shot + improved precise shot + Barb Damage boost 3 + Fighter Hast II + Fighter attack II

And again it just barely fits. So what do y'all think.

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Level 20 Neutral Good Elf Male
(6 Fighter \ 13 Barbarian \ 1 Sorcerer) 
Hit Points: 280
Spell Points: 230 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 11
Will: 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    22
Dexterity            18                    20
Constitution         13                    14
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

Level 1 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Point Blank Shot


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 5 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Bow Strength


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons


Level 7 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Manyshot


Level 8 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot


Level 10 (Barbarian)


Level 11 (Barbarian)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 13 (Barbarian)


Level 14 (Barbarian)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Barbarian)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Barbarian Critical Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Barbarian Item Defense I
Enhancement: Barbarian Item Defense II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II

[unbongwah]

Well, I'm not sure if a sorc splash is the best way to meet the magic req; and I'm not sure ftr 6 / barb 13 is better than just ftr 18. But why don't you start DEX 17 CON 14 and take a +2 DEX tome to get Imp Prec Shot? That way you can put all your lvl-ups into STR.

[Consumer]

Can't get crit rage anymore, 12 barb is worse than 12 fighter.

[t0r012]

I see you took all the Enh to get kensaiI but you don't seem to have taken kensaiI. kensai I with weapon spec needs an extra 5 AP that you need to fit in.

that and mind if I ask why you have 13 int? just seems like wasted build points to me.

[DustTheWind]

I see you took all the Enh to get kensaiI but you don't seem to have taken kensaiI. kensai I with weapon spec needs an extra 5 AP that you need to fit in.

that and mind if I ask why you have 13 int? just seems like wasted build points to me.

Wow I didn't know they ended crit. rage on barb. If thats true thats a huge bummer to this build. In that case the char build engine is out of date and my build ate up a bit. Fighter may be a bit better in that respect.

Also yes I noticed for some reason kensai wasn't in there so I fixed it. Musta been too tired that night. I did consider if I had too much intelligence. Int was 14 by the way. So yes I could have dumped that else where but it was efficient to put it in int at that time at a cost of only 1 point per stat raise so if you like dump int else where.

Here is the fixed build. It should have kensai, barb bezerker, AA, Crit rage - (since I wanted that in the build originally but it sounds like they may have taken that out).

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Level 20 Neutral Good Elf Male
(6 Fighter \ 13 Barbarian \ 1 Sorcerer) 
Hit Points: 280
Spell Points: 230 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 11
Will: 7

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 20                   22
Dexterity            18                 19                   20
Constitution         13                 13                   14
Intelligence         14                 14                   14
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma              8                  8                    8

Level 1 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Charm
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longbow
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Spell (1): Charm Person
Spell (1): Detect Secret Doors


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 5 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Bow Strength


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons


Level 7 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Manyshot


Level 8 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Rage
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Rage


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Damage Reduction
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge


Level 10 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense


Level 11 (Barbarian)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge


Level 13 (Barbarian)


Level 14 (Barbarian)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Barbarian)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Automatic) Greater Rage


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Barbarian Critical Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Kensei Longbow Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Barbarian Item Defense I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II

[supp3nhuhn]

If you'd go wizzy instead of sorcerer you could use your extra feat for mental toughness to fulfill the requirement for aa.

[DustTheWind]

ah good advice thanks ok wizy it is I guess high intelligence might help more here too.

[SiliconScout]

Actually I would go wizard and take the elven arcanum enhancement ( I think that is what it is) that will get you your AA requirements.

You can then use the free Feat for say extended spells. That way you will get a couple minutes out of expedious retreat / shield / etc.

You only get 1st level spells so you might as well make them as useful as possible. You aren't saving any SP really but you are least casting it less often. If you cast it before a fight they should last long enough for the whole fight most of the time.

[domecek1]

Hi, what about do elf 12fighter/7barbar/1wiz with past life barbar? Rage+power surge+ manyshot + haste boost...

[Aranticus]

Dexterity 18 19 20

with items, the dex may hit 30ish. while it seems like a good number, i'm afraid in higher difficulty settings, you may have problems hitting stuff

Constitution 13 13 14

this is too low

Intelligence 14 14 14

i do not know why your int is so high, yes 1 point per increase seems to be worth it but consider that int is not required in this build, it just seems a little pointless. i'd instead use the points to increase con or dex

Feat: (Selected) Power Attack

if you are going for AA, you might want to start getting feats from L1 to qualify you for AA. taking PA later on is not going to hurt your build

Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III[

you can lose these as you spend too much time waste to boost up. manyshot is only 20s. each boost u use takes abt 1.5s to activate (quickdraw can significantly reduce boost time) and thus you are losing a lot of dps for a meagre increase in damage

Enhancement: Barbarian Critical Rage I

this is no longer in use

Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II

power attack doesnt affect ranged weapons but if you are taking this to have a melee option, you are thinking the correct way

Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I

you want to max this out plus get elven ranged attack

Enhancement: Barbarian Item Defense I

this is not needed

Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I

you want to go to AA3 for the slayer arrows. it is a very serious loss of dps without slayer arrows


overall, while you have a good concept, the performance of this build will break down once it hits the upper end. you are going to have problems hitting stuff and will not be able to produce both good melee or ranged dps. you might want to revisit the drawing board and see how you can synergise the build more

[Bacab]

Welcome Back Aranticus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And what he says is pretty much 100% spot on.

IMHO its not worth even going AA unless you get Slaying Arrows.

Also CON/HP is your friend.

The barbarian/rage levels will help with HP.

BTW I am not 100% sure, but can you Imbue while raged?

Just something to consider.

[grodon9999]

BTW I am not 100% sure, but can you Imbue while raged?

Just something to consider.

I'll test it with my Madstone's tonight. Not that big of a deal because the Imbue doesn't expire.

[unbongwah]

Wow I didn't know they ended crit. rage on barb.

IIUC, Crit Rage is still in the game (which is why it's also still in the builder), but it can no longer be taken; it's only for existing barbs who already had the enhs before whenever Turbine decided to take it out. Which I guess means if you have Crit Rage on your barb currently but reset your enhs - POOF! - it's gone for good. Although that doesn't make much sense to me; if Turbine felt Crit Rage was too powerful and had to be nerfed, shouldn't they have removed it from everyone to be fair?

If you'd go wizzy instead of sorcerer you could use your extra feat for mental toughness to fulfill the requirement for aa.

If you have an arcane splash (wiz, sorc, bard), you don't need MT at all; you can take your class SP enh instead (or elf racial SP if wiz). Although with just a splash, you might not have enough SPs for your imbues...

OP: if you insist on such high INT, why not take a bard splash instead of sorc? That way you can have max ranks of UMD, too, and be able to use Cure wands right off the bat.