When is Wisdom needed on a Paladin

[pappo]

Is WiS needed, and when on a Paladin build?
A lot of the builds I see here all start with 8 WIS which means you will not see spells for a while since you will have a hard time getting any +3 WIS items to allow even level 1 Pally spells until you are mid level.
The formula is 10+Paladin Spell level = WIS isn't it ? So Pally level 1 spells need 11 WIS ?

[Zachski]

Correct. Basically, level 12 is around the time Paladin spells start getting useful (Or so I've been told)

If you really want to be casting spells at level 4 though, there is a solution.

Get an Owl's Wisdom clickie Might be hard to find, but that's a solution. It'll bring you up to 12 Wisdom.

[hydra_ex]

Correct. Basically, level 12 is around the time Paladin spells start getting useful (Or so I've been told)

If you really want to be casting spells at level 4 though, there is a solution.

Get an Owl's Wisdom clickie Might be hard to find, but that's a solution. It'll bring you up to 12 Wisdom.

Or just a wand.

[Bobthesponge]

8 wis is just fine. you don't get lvl 1 spells until lvl 4 and then lvl 2 spells at 8, lvl 3 at 12, ect... by that time you should be able to find an appropriate +X wisdom item. or if not, owl's wisdom comes in pots...

[Seelowe]

only paladin builds that usually do not dump wisdom are monk splashes. even then, usually only on TRs since stats are spread thin for pallies.

owl's wisdeom wands/pots combined with some form of item to grant you temporary spellpoints which you will equip before you rest will allow you to buff up fully before switching back to your regular gear. usually some type of item or power I, II, III, etc as you level up as you will find the initial paladin sp pool at lvl 4 is 2 spell points with a dump wisdom iirc

concerning using a wisdom item at cap, it is good to know that it is the easiest to fit in, since you can get it on your greensteel items as well quite often seen on concordant opposition items in paladin builds.

cheers

[unbongwah]

only paladin builds that usually do not dump wisdom are monk splashes.

Or paladin / clerics who are caster-focused.

[pappo]

Correct. Basically, level 12 is around the time Paladin spells start getting useful (Or so I've been told)

If you really want to be casting spells at level 4 though, there is a solution.

Get an Owl's Wisdom clickie Might be hard to find, but that's a solution. It'll bring you up to 12 Wisdom.

I bought a few Owl pots and it raised my SP to 17 so I could cast one Seek Eternal Rest spell, but only when I was outside a quest, and the spell was gone when I went inside.
Inside the quests, the SP bar goes up but then right back down to 2 SP.

[shadow_419]

Sp progression on Paladins is very slow regardless of wis score. Have you taken any of the "Energy of the Templar" enhancements?

[pappo]

Sp progression on Paladins is very slow regardless of wis score. Have you taken any of the "Energy of the Templar" enhancements?

I have not taken Energy of the Templar because my WIS was only 8 it seemed like a waste of an AP for minimal SP. Also I knew I could reset my enhancements later if I wanted to change. Also, I have not decided on whether to be a DOS or KoTC build. Level 6 is next and I will decide then.

[honkuimushi]

I bought a few Owl pots and it raised my SP to 17 so I could cast one Seek Eternal Rest spell, but only when I was outside a quest, and the spell was gone when I went inside.
Inside the quests, the SP bar goes up but then right back down to 2 SP.

Wands are generally preferred because they're cheaper/cast and you can loot wands with higher caster levels that last 6-10 minutes. You need to first cast it in the tavern to select spells then once you have your spells loaded, cast it again inside the quest to allow spell casting.

This will not give you usable spell points, as you learned, but you can use energy of the Templar or other spell point enhancements and spell point items to give you enough spell points to cast spells.

Also, Seek Eternal Rest is pretty useless. Turning is pretty weak for Clerics, and it's even worse for Paladins. Standard low level spells are Divine Favor, Virtue, and Resist Energy.

[pappo]

Wands are generally preferred because they're cheaper/cast and you can loot wands with higher caster levels that last 6-10 minutes. You need to first cast it in the tavern to select spells then once you have your spells loaded, cast it again inside the quest to allow spell casting.

This will not give you usable spell points, as you learned, but you can use energy of the Templar or other spell point enhancements and spell point items to give you enough spell points to cast spells.

Here is what I did.
1. went to tavern, drank WIS pot.
2. moved spell into lvl 1 spell slot, then moved spell to my hotbar.
3. went into quest,and drank a pot.
4. hotbar spell is still "gray.. unusable" because SP = 2

[dkyle]

Here is what I did.
1. went to tavern, drank WIS pot.
2. moved spell into lvl 1 spell slot, then moved spell to my hotbar.
3. went into quest,and drank a pot.
4. hotbar spell is still "gray.. unusable" because SP = 2

Increasing your bonus SP stat (in a Pali's case, WIS) does not increase available SP. It only increases the max SP. Since buffs such as Owl's Wisdom go away when zoning in, or shrining, they are useless for gaining SP. Those pots are only good for getting your WIS high enough to be able to cast.

Find a Power or Wizardry item, and wear that to increase your max SP. You might get a scepter of Power or Wizardry, for example, equip it before shrining, use the sp to buff, then swap in your weapon.