Clerics and raid loot (Rant)

[AyumiAmakusa]

You probably came into this thread thinking I was mad about some cleric looting a named item. Well you're wrong, it's the other way around.

I give up TONS of raid loot for roll the reason being I don't want or use them. But one of the loot I actually want drops for me and you give me flak when I want to keep it?

Let me ask you this, why do you think Clerics run raids? To spend tons of pots and scrolls only to NOT have a chance at loot? To NOT be able to keep what they want? What loot do you have in mind is actually 'Cleric Loot'?


Here's a list I compiled that people think are the only things Clerics are allowed to take:

1) Dragon's Eye
2) Hammer of Life
3) Nullcloth Gown (because it's useless)
4) Shining Crest of St. Markus
5) Gauntlets of Eternity
6) Deific Diadem
7) Lorrick's Set
8) ToD rings

That's it (I may have missed a few)!! Do we not get to keep other stuff? When I say I can use the item, I mean it. There's no reason for me to pick up BtC items if it's completely useless!!

I want these items but people never let me loot them:

1) Sword of Shadow (For the epic version) (Melees will scream bloody murder)
2) Belt of Brute Strength
3) Gyroscopic Boots of Striding
4) Skull Fetish Mask
5) Bracer's of the Demon Consort
6) Staff of Arcane Power (Globe of invulnerability)
7) Torc of Prince Rayium-de II (The arcanes will start complaining if you go near these)
8) Ring of Lies
9) Litany of the Dead
10) Bracers of the Glacier (Whiny arcane claims these)
11) Gloves of the Glacier (Same as above)
12) Ring of Thelis

That's all I want. Some raids don't even have 'Cleric Loot'. Why are we even wasting our resources just so you can have an extra chance at raid loot? I'm sick of it. Think of the clerics for once.

P.S. I did not include Eardweller because it can be soloed and is not raid loot. You probably don't think Clerics can use Eardweller as well.

P.P.S. I'm not complaining that I don't get a roll on items that dropped for you. It's your loot, your rules. If you don't think Clerics can use them FINE but if it drops for me and I want to keep it then S.T.F.U

[khaldan]

I want these items but people never let me loot them:

1) Sword of Shadow (For the epic version) (Melees will scream bloody murder)Iffy on this one, unless you're playing a WF melee type, then I'm fine with it
2) Belt of Brute StrengthDon't care
3) Gyroscopic Boots of StridingDon't care
4) Skull Fetish MaskOdd choice, but Don't care
5) Bracer's of the Demon ConsortBetter for melee TRs, but meh
6) Staff of Arcane Power (Globe of invulnerability)Wiz/sorc/bard/fairly high UMD only?
7) Torc of Prince Rayium-de II (The arcanes will start complaining if you go near these)I'd probably give this to the clerics first..
8) Ring of LiesIt's reaver loot
9) Litany of the DeadIs there a build that doesn't want this?
10) Bracers of the Glacier (Whiny arcane claims these)one of the best guards in game and archmagi? mmm tasty
11) Gloves of the Glacier (Same as above)Don't care
12) Ring of ThelisDon't care, although ToD rings are probably better

That's all I want. Some raids don't even have 'Cleric Loot'. Why are we even wasting our resources just so you can have an extra chance at raid loot? I'm sick of it. Think of the clerics for once.

P.S. I did not include Eardweller because it can be soloed and is not raid loot. You probably don't think Clerics can use Eardweller as well.

What, no Levik's shield?

[AltheaSteelrain]

*hugs*

I can feel your pain.

I always get the bard's cloak for the nth time, when all the while I really wanted that Full Plate of the Defender because I can make good use of it.

Hence my sig.

[AyumiAmakusa]

What, no Levik's shield?

Don't need it.

[sirgog]

Arcanes complain about you wanting a Torc?

Everyone with selfhealing and a blue bar, and most people without selfhealing but with a blue bar should aspire to owning a Torc.

Your problem there won't be people saying 'arcanes only', it'll be people saying 'i want to roll on this for my Paladin' and being completely reasonable in doing so.


Glacier bracers are IMO better on a character that melees and cannot cast their own Fire Shield than they are on an arcane (although my arcane does wear them for the Spell Pen 8).



As for anyone that pulls any BS with 'you can't roll on this, it's not cleric loot' - remember them. Next time they win an item you put up for roll, say 'Remember that time you didn't accept my roll on the Sword of Shadows? Here's karma' then recall out if they were the only person that wanted it, or give it to the person that rolled second highest.

[AyumiAmakusa]

As for anyone that pulls any BS with 'you can't roll on this, it's not cleric loot' - remember them. Next time they win an item you put up for roll, say 'Remember that time you didn't accept my roll on the Sword of Shadows? Here's karma' then recall out if they were the only person that wanted it, or give it to the person that rolled second highest.

Yeah, do that and they start spreading 'Don't run with XXX. PM if you want to know the name'.

[sirgog]

Yeah, do that and they start spreading 'Don't run with XXX. PM if you want to know the name'.

Save it for *extremely* well deserved cases. I've done it once - to someone that *deliberately* died in ToD part 3, by standing in front of Horoth's cleave attacks. I just said up front - 'not accepting rolls from ************'.

[khaldan]

Save it for *extremely* well deserved cases. I've done it once - to someone that *deliberately* died in ToD part 3, by standing in front of Horoth's cleave attacks. I just said up front - 'not accepting rolls from ************'.

There has to be some sort of story behind this.

As for everything else, the only one I had the slightest bit of problem with was the SoS, and that's because 95% of clerics aren't built for melee dps, and the cleric past life isn't great for melee TRs. The rest you shouldn't be getting any hatred for unless you're grouping with idiots.

[Quikster]

P.P.S. I'm not complaining that I don't get a roll on items that dropped for you. It's your loot, your rules. If you don't think Clerics can use them FINE but if it drops for me and I want to keep it then S.T.F.U

^^ Word.


My paly looted the torc in his first dq (was epic) after tr from barb. I told the arcanes to shove it, and then linked it in party. Of course these were friends, but still. YLYC. If youre going to use an item, you should take it and be happy it dropped.

[Quikster]

There has to be some sort of story behind this.

As for everything else, the only one I had the slightest bit of problem with was the SoS, and that's because 95% of clerics aren't built for melee dps, and the cleric past life isn't great for melee TRs. The rest you shouldn't be getting any hatred for unless you're grouping with idiots.

Id take it. An epic sos would allow a non melee spec'd cleric to deal out pain on all but the toughest mobs. It actually does more for a low to hit, low dps class then it does for a high to hit high dps class.


Edit::
Not to mention, the op is talking about loot that dropped for him lol, nothing iffy about that. The minute some pug tells me what to loot on my cleric, is the last time i heal them

[AyumiAmakusa]

Id take it. An epic sos would allow a non melee spec'd cleric to deal out pain on all but the toughest mobs. It actually does more for a low to hit, low dps class then it does for a high to hit high dps class.

Also note to people who don't believe me, I'm currently using Cloudburst to melee on monsters when I solo.

[khaldan]

Not to mention, the op is talking about loot that dropped for him lol, nothing iffy about that. The minute some pug tells me what to loot on my cleric, is the last time i heal them

I was going with your loot is your loot, and treating everything as though it was up for roll >.> Only time i've been irritated with someone picking up loot was a wizard who died 8 times (on normal) taking the DQ goggles.

Yeah.

Rolling on the SoS, I wouldn't care since none of my characters use 2handers, but I can see the arguement against it.

[AyumiAmakusa]

P.S. If you b*tch about loot that dropped for me and I took it, I will give you a link to this thread and that I don't care if you've been grinding that raid for 100000000000000 times and haven't gotten it to drop for you because I grind raids as much as you do.

[pasterqb]

10) Bracers of the Glacier (Whiny arcane claims these)
11) Gloves of the Glacier (Same as above)

I got into a friendly argument(atleast i think it was friendly) with an arcane who knows divines want those and think they help but feel the benefit Arcanes get makes it so divines only get it when arcanes don't want it.

So i told him
1. Arcanes can cast the guard.
2. Archmagi in a spot divines have pretty much no use for.(GS is normally Goggles and second choice is cloak from what i did and seen)
3. Spell Pen in a spot divines have pretty much no use for.
4. Set bonus is useless cause of 9 minutes of a ToD clickie and Ice games. (His rebuttle "They aren't going on" My counter argument "Didn't have enough time to craft something in the 5+ months they were?")

But Arcanes do use scrolls in VoD but not all the time while it can be a sticky raid in pugs when people dont remove curses and divines are chugging. And **** seeing VoDs with 2 Arcanes and a nonwf tank want the bracers or gloves when all they did was haste every 4 minutes, a few clouds and some webs rubs me the wrong way.

But talking about set bonuses can anyone name a good cleric one? Turn Undead obviously don't count as well as Lorrik's once you get 18 minutes of ToD clickies.

But its best to ignore them. I have seen Barbs go crazy when another nonbarb melee wants encrusted. Even seen a post about a Bard getting booted out of a newly joined guild cause he wanted it in a guild run.

[Noctus]

Wow, you really must run with a really noobish crowd.

[Dandonk]

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I'm not complaining that I don't get a roll on items that dropped for you. It's your loot, your rules. If you don't think Clerics can use them FINE but if it drops for me and I want to keep it then S.T.F.U

Your loot, your choice.
Now, I won't lie and say I wouldn't be frustrated with seeing a nice item drop that hasn't got my name on it. Sure I will. But it DIDN'T drop for me, it dropped for someone else - so it's NOT mine.
So too bad, but that's how the dice roll.

[Phidius]

Yeah, do that and they start spreading 'Don't run with XXX. PM if you want to know the name'.

Anyone who wants to pass out names because someone pulled the loot that dropped for them are welcome to pass out my names without resorting to PMs.

Names are in my sig if anyone's interested

[HeavenlyCloud]

I want these items but people never let me loot them:

1) Sword of Shadow (For the epic version) (Melees will scream bloody murder)
2) Belt of Brute Strength
3) Gyroscopic Boots of Striding
4) Skull Fetish Mask
5) Bracer's of the Demon Consort
6) Staff of Arcane Power (Globe of invulnerability)
7) Torc of Prince Rayium-de II (The arcanes will start complaining if you go near these)
8) Ring of Lies
9) Litany of the Dead
10) Bracers of the Glacier (Whiny arcane claims these)
11) Gloves of the Glacier (Same as above)
12) Ring of Thelis

1.- Got it.
2.- Got it.
3.- Got it.
4.- Never wanted it but could have it.
5.- Never wanted them.
6.- Never wanted.
7.- Got it.
8.- Seriously?
9.- Got it.
10.- Got it.
11.- Got them but sitting in bank.
12.- LOL?

Either i am very lucky on my cleric or you just run with *****es. (Edit: Rofl can't write d 0 0 shes)

[soupertc]

the only time I question somone about raid loot and even then I never say things in party chat I just make a mental note is with the Chattering Ring. I've seen several casters who I'm sure AC was 18 pull it and loot it(in a party full of monks and AC build hopefuls!!!)....and yes this was way before the ability to TR came out.

Oh and anyone who tells ya you don't need a Torc is crazy!!! Now if your just a healbot then they could be right....your just wasting a spot if your not going to use it.

[hermespan]

Your loot, your choice.
Now, I won't lie and say I wouldn't be frustrated with seeing a nice item drop that hasn't got my name on it. Sure I will. But it DIDN'T drop for me, it dropped for someone else - so it's NOT mine.
So too bad, but that's how the dice roll.

Yup. I look at it as a pleasant surprise when people put stuff up for roll. If they don't, it was never mine to begin with. I never expect anyone to put stuff up for roll. I put stuff up for roll if it's something I really can't use.

If I do have a use for it, I'm taking it, whether or not some whiner thinks it's better for their character than mine. I run raids to get raid loot and if I get useful raid loot with my name on it, I'm taking it.

If the group leader says up front (before we enter raid) that everything is up for roll, before we go into the quest, yea I'd understand and comply if I went on the raid. Then again, I wouldn't go on the raid with a leader that required this. I'd say "cya" and bail.

Hopefully the op told them where to go and took it anyway. It's not like a healer is going to have trouble getting into raids.