When can we start using Astral Diamonds for ship amenities?

[Deathseeker]

- So there's a mechanism for guildies to deposit AD in the guild account. Check.
- You can buy them in small or big quantities. Check.
- You can use them to buy the ship. Check.
- Amenities that are used by the entire guild can be purchased by...only one individual? Huh?

Seems like the mechanism is in place to allow everyone to donate AD (or plat for that matter) to a fund. The mechanism is there to use that fund to buy a guild item (airship). Why is this not in place for airship amenities as well?

Seems like it was intended to be this way, and someone just forgot to finish that last step. Am I missing something obvious or is this just kind of a glaring missing element?

Those gold seal XP shrines add up...sure would like to get a better mechanism going to share the cost.

[Greeka]

Only guild leader and officers can do the purchasing of crew members and amenities. Players that are just members of the guild are the ones that cannot buy. Impress your guild and get promoted to an officer and you can buy these things yourself for the guild, but be careful and discuss purchasing stuff with the officers and leader first unless you want to be demoted back to member.

[Deathseeker]

Only guild leader and officers can do the purchasing of crew members and amenities. Players that are just members of the guild are the ones that cannot buy. Impress your guild and get promoted to an officer and you can buy these things yourself for the guild, but be careful and discuss purchasing stuff with the officers and leader first unless you want to be demoted back to member.

Meant it the other way around. I am an officer and currently buy amenities. But we have members that would be happy to donate. I'd like to see, as an officer, being able to use funds (or diamonds) from the guild ship deposit to be able to buy amentities instead of an officer having to pony up their own funds.

[RTN]

It's time to necro this thread. This really needs to be looked at. Right now, officers need to suck up the TP costs of amenities that aren't plat unlocked. This is fundamentally unfair.

As Deathseeker wrote, we have the ability to donate Astral Diamonds to purchase ships. Make those available to purchase amenities on the ship. This allows the entire guild to participate and doesn't burden guild officers with all the costs. Turbine still gets our points (i.e., $$$), so what is the problem? Let officers make purchases from the guild fund (cash and Astral Diamonds) that exists to purchase ships.

[Requiro]

It's time to necro this thread. This really needs to be looked at. Right now, officers need to suck up the TP costs of amenities that aren't plat unlocked. This is fundamentally unfair.

As Deathseeker wrote, we have the ability to donate Astral Diamonds to purchase ships. Make those available to purchase amenities on the ship. This allows the entire guild to participate and doesn't burden guild officers with all the costs. Turbine still gets our points (i.e., $$$), so what is the problem? Let officers make purchases from the guild fund (cash and Astral Diamonds) that exists to purchase ships.

/sign

Turbine: It is in your interest to allow that. You will earn more money

[KingOfCheese]

Yeah--this seems like a win, win, win, win, win situation.

Unless I'm missing something, there doesn't seem to be any downside to this. And it seems like the coding would not be terribly difficult--and worth the time in terms of additional revenue that would come in.

[RTN]

Yeah--this seems like a win, win, win, win, win situation.

Unless I'm missing something, there doesn't seem to be any downside to this. And it seems like the coding would not be terribly difficult--and worth the time in terms of additional revenue that would come in.

Agreed. I wonder why they didn't implement it from the start. It makes sense from every perspective. Hopefully, they'll implement this ASAP.

Quite literally, right now officers are forced to suck it up for entire guilds. The only ways to let others help are to either make other people temporary officers (which is a massive headache and hassle) or make everyone officers (which a few guilds do, but not most).

[Sirea]

If you don't want to pay the TP prices, don't. Just wait until your guild is the appropriate level and purchase the amenity with plat. All you're paying for is the privilege to get them early, and while it'd be nice to have certain ones RIGHT NOW, it's not a big deal to wait. We did without ship buffs for 4 years after all

I buy most of my guild's airship amenities (with plat) and as I use them too, I don't see it as money wasted, or being forced to "suck up" the cost for the entire guild. The plat amounts are pretty paltry for someone who's been playing a while and has amassed a bunch of money.

Astral Diamonds aren't used to buy amenities, so I don't see how it would help if people could put them towards that use, and I can't see how you could donate TP since Turbine's been pretty staunch about those being non-transferable. Having a plat fund could work, so long as it was specifically earmarked or amenities to prevent misuse. Or maybe if you could put amenities in the guild chest for an officer to take out and use.

[KingOfCheese]

If you don't want to pay the TP prices, don't. Just wait until your guild is the appropriate level and purchase the amenity with plat. All you're paying for is the privilege to get them early, and while it'd be nice to have certain ones RIGHT NOW, it's not a big deal to wait. We did without ship buffs for 4 years after all

Many are fine with paying the TP prices. That's not the main issue. The issue is that there isn't a good mechanism enabling everyone (non-officers) that wants to spend TPs to do so. Creating a mechanism for everyone to spend the TPs that they want to spend makes things fairer within a guild and likely generates more $$ for Turbine--no down side.

I buy most of my guild's airship amenities (with plat) and as I use them too, I don't see it as money wasted, or being forced to "suck up" the cost for the entire guild. The plat amounts are pretty paltry for someone who's been playing a while and has amassed a bunch of money.

Agreed. But when it comes to real life $$$'s, the analysis changes a bit.

Astral Diamonds aren't used to buy amenities, so I don't see how it would help if people could put them towards that use, and I can't see how you could donate TP since Turbine's been pretty staunch about those being non-transferable. Having a plat fund could work, so long as it was specifically earmarked or amenities to prevent misuse. Or maybe if you could put amenities in the guild chest for an officer to take out and use.

That gets to the heart of this suggestion: that Turbine should create a mechanism where the donated Astral Diamonds can be used to buy amenities--just like they can be used to buy ships.

[Deathseeker]

Many are fine with paying the TP prices. That's not the main issue. The issue is that there isn't a good mechanism enabling everyone (non-officers) that wants to spend TPs to do so. Creating a mechanism for everyone to spend the TPs that they want to spend makes things fairer within a guild and likely generates more $$ for Turbine--no down side.

That gets to the heart of this suggestion: that Turbine should create a mechanism where the donated Astral Diamonds can be used to buy amenities--just like they can be used to buy ships.

Yep, the Grand Poobah of Cheese gets it. Right on the money.

Just don't see any downside here whatsoever. Good for Turbine, good for guild management, and if for some reason ya don't like it, it wouldn't change anything about how it works currently.

In guild we've discussed all kinds of nutty ways to try to allow members to donate to help fund gold seal contracts. Just frustrating because the ideal mechanism is right there, it's been set up, and just needs that last piece of the puzzle to turn it on.

Come on Turbine...set up an in-game vendor that trades airship fund AD for Gold Seal Amenity contracts. Im begging....let us give you more money! Please?

[Quikster]

If you don't want to pay the TP prices, don't. Just wait until your guild is the appropriate level and purchase the amenity with plat. All you're paying for is the privilege to get them early, and while it'd be nice to have certain ones RIGHT NOW, it's not a big deal to wait. We did without ship buffs for 4 years after all

I buy most of my guild's airship amenities (with plat) and as I use them too, I don't see it as money wasted, or being forced to "suck up" the cost for the entire guild. The plat amounts are pretty paltry for someone who's been playing a while and has amassed a bunch of money.

Astral Diamonds aren't used to buy amenities, so I don't see how it would help if people could put them towards that use, and I can't see how you could donate TP since Turbine's been pretty staunch about those being non-transferable. Having a plat fund could work, so long as it was specifically earmarked or amenities to prevent misuse. Or maybe if you could put amenities in the guild chest for an officer to take out and use.

Seems youre missing the point here. He knows AD arent used. Hes asking if they can be used so everyone in a guild can contribute to the airship amenities instead of just officers....

I think it sounds like a splendid idea Our guild is one of them all officer guilds so it wont effect us all that much. But I can see how it can greatly benefit other guilds, and be another way for turbine to make a buck in the store.

Sounds like win win to me, and with the "turbine making money side" theres really no reason not to make this change.

[Nite_Prowler]

If you don't want to pay the TP prices, don't. Just wait until your guild is the appropriate level and purchase the amenity with plat. All you're paying for is the privilege to get them early, and while it'd be nice to have certain ones RIGHT NOW, it's not a big deal to wait. We did without ship buffs for 4 years after all

I buy most of my guild's airship amenities (with plat) and as I use them too, I don't see it as money wasted, or being forced to "suck up" the cost for the entire guild. The plat amounts are pretty paltry for someone who's been playing a while and has amassed a bunch of money.

Astral Diamonds aren't used to buy amenities, so I don't see how it would help if people could put them towards that use, and I can't see how you could donate TP since Turbine's been pretty staunch about those being non-transferable. Having a plat fund could work, so long as it was specifically earmarked or amenities to prevent misuse. Or maybe if you could put amenities in the guild chest for an officer to take out and use.

You have missed the whole point of this thread. The OP wants Turbine to allow ship amenities to be purchased with Astral Diamonds. So that non officers can contribute to the guild buffs.

This sounds like an excellent idea.

/signed

[Rasczak]

I agree that there should definitely be some sort of mechanism allowing guild members to purchase amemnities.

In fact I don't understand why there isn't some sort of storage facility for amemnities that guildies can place purchased items into and officers can access and use. If it's an issue of guildies sticking up shrines that officers don't feel should be there, then make the purchased amemnities able to be passed on someway. Whether it be handing them into the First Mate so officers can access them or creating a new mechanic that can be unlocked for the ship at a certain level.

[Deathseeker]

I agree that there should definitely be some sort of mechanism allowing guild members to purchase amemnities.

In fact I don't understand why there isn't some sort of storage facility for amemnities that guildies can place purchased items into and officers can access and use. If it's an issue of guildies sticking up shrines that officers don't feel should be there, then make the purchased amemnities able to be passed on someway. Whether it be handing them into the First Mate so officers can access them or creating a new mechanic that can be unlocked for the ship at a certain level.

I think this would be a fine solution as well...allow members to buy the contracts and pass them in some manner, just not place them. Of course the text would have to be VERY CLEAR in the store that if you aren't an officer you can't place the amenity, but other than that this would be a solution to the issue as well.

Turbine, kinda makin me feel like Jerry Mcguire here on this one, this change is good and will make money for you!....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGt5f70K02Q...

[RTN]

Couldn't agree more. I personally prefer the Astral Diamonds guild donation method since it allows flexibility, but so long as we have SOME way to enable non-officers to contribute, I'll be happy. Right now the only real alternatives are very clunky and awkward--they're cobbled together workarounds, not solutions. (FYI, I'm not an officer, so this isn't me whining about my own TP--I want to SPEND my TP for the benefit of my guild)

Please Turbine, let us give you more TP (i.e., $$$)!

[PNellesen]

/SIGNED

I'm not an officer, but would be quite happy to put a few ADs in the pot if this mechanism existed. As it is now, I feel guilty even asking an officer to refresh a particularly useful amenity that's expired though in every case they've done it within minutes of asking.

[RTN]

The new update is in place, the special event has started and now devs are probably bored with nothing to do.

This would be the perfect time for Devs to read this thread and realize this idea is pure brilliance. Everyone wins. Officers aren't overburdened, guilds don't have to come up with complicated ways to get around the restrictions, members can contribute to their guilds and Turbine makes more $$$.