WF Tempest VS. WF KotC

[Kumorijin]

posted this in the WF forums but didn't get much attention.

anyways, your thoughts on effectiveness, healability, survivability, and of coarse DPS

[AylinIsAwesome]

A lot of it would depend on your gear, if you have 28 or 32 point builds, what packs you have, can you get tomes, ect.


Basically, we need more information before we can help you.

[mediocresurgeon]

In general, KotC will do more DPS than a ranger against Harry, Suulomades, Horoth. But paladins have a notoriously low to-hit, making Tempest more valuable than paladins for epic content.

[Kumorijin]

i was speaking of these 2 builds in terms of having 32 points for each. but i didn't know that paladins have a notoriously low to-hit. but i was thinking that a WF Pally might be more survivable than a WF tempest just due to the fact that lay on hands is not effected by WF healing, right?

[hydra_ex]

Rangers got a huge nerf.

Paladin's to-hit isn't that bad, actually. A ranger's is better, but not by too much. In any case, most trash doesn't have too high of an ac, and bosses can be exhausted etc. for better to-hit.

That said, I'd say WF Tempest. Unless you have tons of gear and are on a 36-pt build, a WF KotC might not have enough charisma to truly unlock a Paladin's potential.

[Kumorijin]

i'm basically looking for a WF melee build since i have a WF wiz, but i need it to have some kind of survivability.

[hydra_ex]

i'm basically looking for a WF melee build since i have a WF wiz, but i need it to have some kind of survivability.

WF aren't known for survivability. It's possible, but if so, I'd say a fighter/paladin combo with AC. Self-healing isn't a melee WF thing.

[NaturalHazard]

i'm basically looking for a WF melee build since i have a WF wiz, but i need it to have some kind of survivability.

How about one of those wf favoured soul builds?

[hydra_ex]

How about one of those wf favoured soul builds?

...or that.

Doesn't have uber DPS though.

[AylinIsAwesome]

In general, KotC will do more DPS than a ranger against Harry, Suulomades, Horoth. But paladins have a notoriously low to-hit, making Tempest more valuable than paladins for epic content.

Things that up Ranger to-hit:

2 - Favoured Enemy Attack 2
2 - Tempest no TWF penalty
1 - Ram's Might

Things that up Paladin to-hit:

3 - Divine Favour
4 - Evil Outsiders/Undead only


Both classes can get OTWF, but since it's more common in Rangers, I'll add two there.

So Rangers have +4 over Paladins against non-EOs, but against EOs Paladins can get the same to-hit.


Paladins will utterly destroy EOs, and aren't that bad at other mob types too with the extra crit multiplier on the special attacks, Zeal, up to +11 damage per swing...ect.

[mediocresurgeon]

Things that up Ranger to-hit:

2 - Favoured Enemy Attack 2
2 - Tempest no TWF penalty
1 - Ram's Might

Things that up Paladin to-hit:

3 - Divine Favour
4 - Evil Outsiders/Undead only


Both classes can get OTWF, but since it's more common in Rangers, I'll add two there.

So Rangers have +4 over Paladins against non-EOs, but against EOs Paladins can get the same to-hit.


Paladins will utterly destroy EOs, and aren't that bad at other mob types too with the extra crit multiplier on the special attacks, Zeal, up to +11 damage per swing...ect.

Also, part of the problem is that paladins have more ability scores to manage than a ranger.

but i didn't know that paladins have a notoriously low to-hit.

I didn't mean to imply that paladins cannot hit the broad side of a barn. But they do tend to suffer a lot of Misses when fighting epic named monsters, whereas other melees do not have as large of a problem in that regard. This means that in the toughest fights (where things are most likely to go bad) they are less reliable than other classes.

On normal/hard/elite difficulty, any properly build melee can hit anything on a 2 (dungeon alert scenarios excluded). For endgame non-epic raids, WF TWF KotC Capstone paladins are known for doing an absolutely incredible amount of damage--but they are not known for their survivability, ability to solo, or their ability to self-heal.

[unbongwah]

Also, part of the problem is that paladins have more ability scores to manage than a ranger.

Particularly if you want a TWF paladin, since rangers get the feats for free.

[NaturalHazard]

Maybe paladins are better when you get 32 point builds or tr while rangers might be easyier to manage with the free feats and stuff, to start off as your first toon? Good thing about paladins is they get holy sword right? while rangers have to craft weapons?

[mediocresurgeon]

Good thing about paladins is they get holy sword right? while rangers have to craft weapons?

Holy Sword is the cheapest DR-busting weapon in the game, if you don't have DR-busting weapons readily available (such as a Green Steel Mineral II).