Best player on Thenalis?

[weyoun]

"I am the walrus?"

You are out of your element Donny

[Judo]

You are out of your element Donny

Shut the f*c* up Donny!

[Clay]

Eriik are you seriously postulating that those guys don't last long?

O.J. Simpson is STILL a celebrity! Cobb spent 23 years as a pro player. Bonds played 21 years. Isiah Thomas is still involved in basketball.

How is that not lasting long?

With regards to your one example... why do you not comment on the commentary of the guy saying he had those problems earlier but they were over looked because the Steelers were winning?

[Clay]

Relilk and Hammer you are both entitled to your opinions and are free to express them (with the forum rules). I do notice that two of you hide behind anonymity. This thread is not the place to express those opinions. I challenge to you find the hypocrisy in anything I have posted.

If you read the OP again and read through this thread, there is no mention of guild association. The OP asks who is the best player on Thelanis. The word "best" is ambiguous as has been mentioned. The debate was opened up to include different aspects of game play as well as character.

In light of the intentions of the OP, namely an enjoyable discussion, the derogatory remarks of Pumagirl have no place in this thread. She could simply have said Cerciv.

I find it hypocritical of anyone to point a finger at anyone in a hateful way and accuse them of being hateful. The narrow path does not allow for excuses like "he started it," or "well they are mean too." That is what makes it a narrow path. You still don't have to like Legion, or me, or anyone--but you are acting no better.

I say again, the feelings you have for or against my Guild are valid but that is not the purpose of this discussion. If you want, start a thread decrying all of my faults, and those I associate with. But here, in THIS THREAD, please try and contain your venom--as all the various other forum/game "trolls" seem to be able. Are you not, as your posts attempt to point out, better than us?

[pumagirl418]

Are you not, as your posts attempt to point out, better than us?

i seen this and thought if someone thinks they are better they would self nominate... lol... and i thought of cannon... rotflmao

just goofin' cannon and others who have :P

[Surcus1]

Well, since Correlan posted

I`ll nominate 3 from Erebus as worthy of your list, though they, like many others that are truly great, would never speak up in this context and mostly solo anyway.

The leader of Erebus, Phwarp: Great wizard.
Correlan.
Doddles, still the best ranger I`ve seen in DDO after playing for 4 years.

Other European players:

Sarezar(now in Children and Monsters), great wizard with the first worldwide solo of the Hound as maybe the greatest accomplishment.
Moraadin, leader of aLiClan and a great cleric.

All of these, as well as many others, have now played on Thelanis for the better part of the last year, and should be considered more than just `Europeans`, but true Thelanians

I`ll add a honorable mention of Renegade which is also one of the best players I`ve played with on this server.

[hammerstriker1]

Relilk and Hammer you are both entitled to your opinions and are free to express them (with the forum rules). I do notice that all three of you hide behind anonymity. This thread is not the place to express those opinions. I challenge to you find the hypocrisy in anything I have posted.

If you read the OP again and read through this thread, there is no mention of guild association. The OP asks who is the best player on Thelanis. The word "best" is ambiguous as has been mentioned. The debate was opened up to include different aspects of game play as well as character.

In light of the intentions of the OP, namely an enjoyable discussion, the derogatory remarks of Pumagirl have no place in this thread. She could simply have said Cerciv.

I find it hypocritical of anyone to point a finger at anyone in a hateful way and accuse them of being hateful. The narrow path does not allow for excuses like "he started it," or "well they are mean too." That is what makes it a narrow path. You still don't have to like Legion, or me, or anyone--but you are acting no better.

I say again, the feelings you have for or against my Guild are valid but that is not the purpose of this discussion. If you want, start a thread decrying all of my faults, and those I associate with. But here, in THIS THREAD, please try and contain your venom--as all the various other forum/game "trolls" seem to be able. Are you not, as your posts attempt to point out, better than us?

My signature shows who my main toon is and what guild I'm in so I dont see how thats being annonymous. My intent was not to bash your guild or anyone in it...I dont really have a problem with peeps in ur guild or the guild itself...there is 1 maybe 2 that I dont care for but thats neither here nor there. I was simply pointing out that you were getting on pumagirl for her not liking who Cersiv associates with and that your guild tends to do that alot.....thats all...take it how ever you want but I am not a "hater" towards ur guild. And not once did I say that myself or my guild was better than you or your guild. And I did reply to the OP's post and if you noticied 2 of my peeps that I really enjoy grouping with are in your guild...so take it as you want

[Clay]

Apologies Hammer, post corrected. I do not object to your observation of some of my guild excluding others because of their guild association. I object to the introduction into this thread of an unnecessary digression in to Guild Personality.

Puma could have, as you did, simply identify the player and leave commentary out. That is what I am objecting to. The choice to include the disparaging remark was conscious and in doing so, in this thread, hateful. Is that not what Legion is so often lambasted for?

Let's just leave the current discussion to players, their abilities and personal qualities.

Can we now focus on the OP's intended discussion?

[Jasoul]

there are people that dont like Legion members? ive been gone for awhile, but when did this happen!?!?

*snorts and snickers*

[AkromaAoW]

Eriik are you seriously postulating that those guys don't last long?

O.J. Simpson is STILL a celebrity! Cobb spent 23 years as a pro player. Bonds played 21 years. Isiah Thomas is still involved in basketball.

How is that not lasting long?

With regards to your one example... why do you not comment on the commentary of the guy saying he had those problems earlier but they were over looked because the Steelers were winning?

Even many criminals don't report directly to jail, and I did say in my day to day world. As a college prof, I've witnessed quite a few of our collegiate stars benched for behavior. As a senior software developer working with or leading teams on large projects, the talented software folks are the ones who are not only technically superior but also do well in the group. If you're not a strong team player, do not apply.

Professional athletes are not in my day to day world. Honestly, a guy throwing a football is not worth anything compared to the exceptionally bright MDs and PhD's I am/have been privileged to work beside. I know numerous people whose research has changed mankind for the better, and it's the athletes who get million dollar contracts for playing professional football/basketball/baseball? Sadly, the only reason those salaries are so large is because enough of the population tunes in to enable them. I don't and haven't since I was a teen, although I do sometimes like to go to amatuer and minor league games.

In the amatuer arena, a college that gets lots of money from its athletic programs is able to fund faculty research, improvements, student scholarships, and so on. This is a better use of proceeds from athletics than paying Lebron James millions of dollars. Players get an education and a fair stipend for their efforts, and the college gets money for the things that really matter.

It's kind of like those Intel commercials. The guy that created USB is my superstar, certainly not OJ Simpson. Still, that's why we're having this discussion, right? You and I have different beliefs and people/types we support.

Cheers,

E.

PS: I also don't watch reality TV or help make Lindsey Lohan, Snookie, or Kim Kardashian popular. Well, that's not completely true. I watch the original reality show - the news. Sadly, these types of people even appear there...

[Clay]

Our philosophies are not so different. In a discussion of who is the best, or, in other words, most skilled, player, our philosophies are less relevant. You originally postulated that to be successful as a player, you had to have people skills. This argument is fallacious. Even in the scientific/academic world personal defects are often over looked in favor of talent and skills.

My personal view is that teachers should be paid like the superstars they are. Interesting statement on our society that the schools are often so poorly funded and yet the coliseums can always find more money for the gladiators.

[AkromaAoW]

Our philosophies are not so different. In a discussion of who is the best, or, in other words, most skilled, player, our philosophies are less relevant. You originally postulated that to be successful as a player, you had to have people skills. This argument is fallacious. Even in the scientific/academic world personal defects are often over looked in favor of talent and skills.

My personal view is that teachers should be paid like the superstars they are. Interesting statement on our society that the schools are often so poorly funded and yet the coliseums can always find more money for the gladiators.

Quite an interesting state, indeed.

Almost my argument, except I want to change player to team player as DDO was intended as a team PVE game. I just believe that to be a highly successful player, you can't be a d***. Such behavior automatically limits the teams of which you can successfully be a member.

Here is perhaps a compromise. We can discuss two types of best player. The one that has wicked skills with whatever type of personality, and the best team player, the one with awesome skills whose personality allows them to be used across most any group.

I will continue to believe that, of these two, the best has to be able to get along with folks as I measure success in the ability to help most any group succeed, and you can't succeed in a group that won't have you.

Cheers,

E.

[Ironforge_Clan]

Okay I'm putting an end to this who's the best garbage. For the last time GisKing is the best player on our server. How do I know this? He told me it was so!

[soloman]

PS: I also don't watch reality TV or help make Lindsey Lohan, Snookie, or Kim Kardashian popular. Well, that's not completely true. I watch the original reality show - the news. Sadly, these types of people even appear there...

I dont watch TV so.....who the Freak is Snookie?

[weyoun]

He're Snookie getting punched. It's what made MTV's Jersey Shore viral.



Never seen the show, just the video of the punching.

[Blackbird]

ren your logic is flawed, the girl gamers have been double clicking their mouse for years...

*snicker* Maybe that's why women make such awesome healers. We like to mash buttons fast

[-Satureon-]

Saw a thread like this on the Khyber forums and it brought me to thinking about who would carry the torch here on Thelanis?

Interesting conversation or am I just way too bored?

You definitely way too bored...

[soloman]

He're Snookie getting punched. It's what made MTV's Jersey Shore viral.



Never seen the show, just the video of the punching.

OMFG!! I love it. Does she get punched every week? If so I might start tuning in

[soloman]

*snicker* Maybe That's Why Women Make Such Awesome Healers. We Like To Mash Buttons Fast

Rofl!! +1 :d

[soloman]

You definitely way too bored...

Yeah your right there

But what else am I supposed to do while waiting to TR? I suppose I could check out the Snookie gal