Human Barbarian AC

[ddobard1]

Don't use words, use numbers instead. This isn't the AC guy, it is a melee first line with lots of HP, at least good DPS and 77 AC. (Didn't calculate HPs and DPS, not my purpose here.) Not far, far away from +80 AC.

[khaldan]

You won't have as much hp as any other barb, since you don't have rage or as many toughnesses.

You won't have even close to good dps, since barb dps revolves around frenzy/death frenzy/rage.

You won't have as good an AC as any other intimitank/dex based AC build, and won't have the intimidate to use it even if you did.

Why build this when you could build something better?

[ddobard1]

My idea is not to be perma Raged. Have the versatility: to Rage or not to Rage! A driven Human Barbarian but also a cautious one.

[khaldan]

So you won't have even close to the dps of any other barb, who aren't exactly the hottest dps around anymore. Not sure how you're not seeing this.

[Sweyn]

This build has gimp written all over it. Where do you plan on being effective with this? I would never take a build like this into

• Any epic quests
• Dragon runs
• Epic DQ runs
• Shroud runs
• VoD runs
• Tod runs
• Hell, just about anything endgame a build like this would not be welcome in my groups

All this character will be is a waste of a party slot... i guess you could tank the reaver without being hit

[ddobard1]

HP (Without Rage.) = 236 + 23 (Toughness.) + 10 + 30 + 40 (Barbarian Toughness.) + 45 + 30 (Racial Toughness.) + 20 (Minos Toughness.) + 280 + 20 = 734. 77 AC. (Without Rage.)

This isn't a blocking, tanking, intimidating, or whatever, it's a first line melee 734 HP (Not raged or buffed.), 77 AC (63 AC not buffed.) and with good DPS. (No numbers here.)

[khaldan]

HP (Without Rage.) = 236 + 23 (Toughness.) + 10 + 30 + 40 (Barbarian Toughness.) + 45 + 30 (Racial Toughness.) + 20 (Minos Toughness.) + 280 + 20 = 734. 77 AC. (Without Rage.)

This isn't a blocking, tanking, intimidating, or whatever, it's a first line melee 734 HP (Not raged or buffed.), 77 AC (63 AC not buffed.) and with good DPS. (No numbers here.)

Most barbs hit 900-1000 hp.

As for dps, you aren't using rage/death frenzy/frenzy, so that's a ton of damage lost, on top of losing the fun that is a x5 multiplier.

[ddobard1]

I only speak about numbers: 63 AC and 77AC end game buffed. 734 HP not Raged or buffed. Too lazy to calculate DPS, but i predict 80% of max Barbarian DPS. May be calculations later. IT seems a fine first line melee.

[ddobard1]

1000 HP with Rages and buffs! I said 734 HP without Rage and buffs! With Rages, and buffs i will get over 900 HP. I didn't say i wouldn't Rage. I said i Rage when i think it is necessary.

[khaldan]

I only speak about numbers: 63 AC and 77AC end game buffed. 734 HP not Raged or buffed. Too lazy to calculate DPS, but i predict 80% of max Barbarian DPS. May be calculations later. IT seems a fine first line melee.

You aren't keeping 63 AC up full time, nor are you keeping 77 AC up full time. You aren't raging, so that alone trashes your dps. 734 hp is decent, but when you waste feats on things like dodge, it could be better.

But again, I ask you, why the focus on barbarian AC when you could do fighter AC, get a lot higher in AC, and do more damage?

[khaldan]

1000 HP with Rages and buffs! I said 734 HP without Rage and buffs! With Rages, and buffs i will get over 900 HP. I didn't say i wouldn't Rage. I said i Rage when i think it is necessary.

Double post, but those two should probably be highlighted. Rage only gets you another 100 hp, not 270.

[ddobard1]

63 AC when needed, Rage when i want, 77 AC with external buffs. Fighter with + AC than me worst DPS and less HP.
80 (Greater Rage + Hardy Rage) + 20 (Spell Rage.) + 80 (Arcane Caster, Bard, Cleric/FS, Paladin Buffs.) = 180. 734 + 180 = 914 HP > 900 HP.

[khaldan]

... You're counting temporary hp in a hp calculation?

Hell, I think I can stop here. You're either an elaborate troll, or someone who really doesn't understand the game.

[ddobard1]

No you write like a troll! And express total lack of rules connaissance!

[Khanyth]

No you write like a troll! And express total lack of rules connaissance!

I've never had the chance to do this before.... I'm kinda excited.

Here goes:

Hi. Welcome.

[khaldan]

I've never had the chance to do this before.... I'm kinda excited.

Here goes:

Hi. Welcome.

You added punctuation! Gasp!

[ddobard1]

Shut up!

You not welcome! Anytime! Anywhere!

[NaturalHazard]

I respect what you are saying and what you are trying to do, DDObard1.

I won't speak for other players on other servers (I've only played on Orien) but:

when I have joined pugs with my barb, the other members of the pug had the expectation that they were getting a character who would kill fast and quickly. That's what barbs do. That's what barbs are expected to do. That is the expectation of the class. I've seen barbs be kicked out of groups for not killing fast enough.

If you grouped with a cleric, would you expect to be healed?
Would you group with a cleric who didn't want to heal?

Play your character however you wish, but be prepared for a backlash. People expect barbs to be killing machine/mana sponges. If they want a melee with AC, they'll get a pali or a fighter. People expect barbs to be low AC, high DPS.

My 2 cents.

How about a ranger exploiter type? i mean for a melee with decent ac?

[ddobard1]

I choose Barbarian.

[Asketes]

why not just choose a fighter?

Mine hit excellent DPS wielding two khopesh and a 76 ac (pure lvl 20 fighter)