where has the haste gone?

[deadmanet]

I've been seeing this on my server as well. It's gotten to the point that when I'm not on my caster(s), I keep a hireling in my inventory for use if party is not full, and nobody minds it.


Has to be a caster with haste, don't care what the other spells are, as long as haste is involved. I find that to be a lot cheaper in the long run than scrolls/pots.

[harold2560]

This is why you can buy haste pots. All my toons always carry two stacks of haste pots (among other essential pots). At level 6 on up untill haste has a pretty good duration there is no reason for a wizard to waste spell points to give you a very short haste that you can just drink a pot for, save for a few exceptions. Crowd control or other spells would be much better. I love playing my wizard, it gripes me alot that people always demand haste as if that is all a wizard is played for. Im not hasting you to run across a map. Wasting all my spell points on haste so people can zerg ahead and die is dumb. I will haste when it is needed, not when it is wanted.

I will agree that people should never be without haste....so buy some pots, so i can cast the spells we really do need when we need them.

[Lord_WC]

Well, I'm Lord_WC, and I'm a zerger. Please greet me

So, on a non-haste toon I usually wait until I get a haste after we enter, that's the signal for me that buffing is finished. If it is running out I just drink a pot or find the arcane.
If I'm on my bard or sorc I usually throw up the lfm or join zerging groups only. Initial buffs are on the run or at the entrance, and you get your haste in the first engagement and renew it if its ticking down. I think the main problem is that arcanes try to haste between fights. You want your melees all in a nice group? Well jump in the middle of the fray I guarantee they all will be there and all will be hasted.
Oh, if you lag behind you won't get a haste, but in this case you're not doing anything valuable so it's not an issue.

Seriously, I met lvl17 arcane without haste, and couldn't understand why he needs it, which is, for me at least, is the same as the 10 con rogues and 0% fort melees. It sucks, I blacklist them and happy to never hear about them ever again.

[sisterjinx]

This is why you can buy haste pots. All my toons always carry two stacks of haste pots (among other essential pots). At level 6 on up untill haste has a pretty good duration there is no reason for a wizard to waste spell points to give you a very short haste that you can just drink a pot for, save for a few exceptions. Crowd control or other spells would be much better. I love playing my wizard, it gripes me alot that people always demand haste as if that is all a wizard is played for. Im not hasting you to run across a map. Wasting all my spell points on haste so people can zerg ahead and die is dumb. I will haste when it is needed, not when it is wanted.

I will agree that people should never be without haste....so buy some pots, so i can cast the spells we really do need when we need them.

I guess this kind of thinking is so funny to me because when I first came to DDO (too many years ago lol) I wanted to play a wizard, as my first love was always the casting class. As I began leveling I found many expectations of a caster that were ok with me because I chose that class.

Haste pots are great but expensive. Your blue bar is free. (oh I know I am speaking to deaf ears here and thank heavens my hubby loves his caster and hates running slow lol)

[Thrudh]

I have been working on my TR daily... One thing I have noticed about casters is the lack of haste. Why is this? I can even deal with sporadic haste... but lately it is no haste at all. Unless of course you have other TR's using their shroud clickies.

new casters an occassional haste is a great thing... plus haste can open a striding slot for something else

show the love, toss a haste

You know, I've seen this myself... I bet 50% of the time, I have to haste the party with my Shroud haste clickables with a wizard/sorc in the party... And I wait to see if they're going to do it...

[Thrudh]

Yeah, it was like a pain for them to get through a song/spell.

Casts Good Hope: someone runs off immediately.
Sings Inspire Courage: said person starts backing up to party after realising buffing isn't finished. Another person then runs off.
Sings Inspire Greatness. Everyone dashes off immediately.

*crickets chirp*

Anyone wants haste?

We need to teach everyone again that "green means go"

[Canuckish]

Blue Bar's may be free to start, but when they run out the cost "real" money to replace or so much PP in the AH that it makes Haste pots look free....

Arcane's should have Haste, and should cast haste regularly once they get it to a decent duration and Spell point pool.

I find that most of my pugging (14-) though its easier for me to just kill the mobs then it is to try and gather people for a Haste, in the time it takes to get the noobs to stop running in circles and gather up i can drop a fireball and clear the room and move on.

This does of course change at 14+ when mobs HP totals start preventing one-shotting, then its the melee's turn to kill and haste, haste away.

[JPDefault]

One thing that bugged me when I still used to play in PUGs on Thelanis (thus before I started playing permadeath) was people asking and gathering for a Haste only after combats, never before.

So they could hurry to the next combat, scatter around randomly and start fighting as soon as the effect wore off.

[sisterjinx]

Blue Bar's may be free to start, but when they run out the cost "real" money to replace or so much PP in the AH that it makes Haste pots look free....

Arcane's should have Haste, and should cast haste regularly once they get it to a decent duration and Spell point pool.

I find that most of my pugging (14-) though its easier for me to just kill the mobs then it is to try and gather people for a Haste, in the time it takes to get the noobs to stop running in circles and gather up i can drop a fireball and clear the room and move on.

This does of course change at 14+ when mobs HP totals start preventing one-shotting, then its the melee's turn to kill and haste, haste away.

Want to see really truly amusing? Try saying "Haste on me" over voice chat or heck type it in. Watching the zerging kill counters stop dead in their tracks, look around to find you, back up, run straight at you and halt is hilarious. And hey, you then have them in a neat little group.

My hubby often does it at the chests, when you know the group is stopped and at any door. Our clerics will often take the opportunity to drop a couple of quick mass buff refreshes as well since the word HASTE has stopped the whole party in it's tracks momentarily.

[herdisleah]

Now that I've TR'd my sorc into a wizzie, I've gotten a few requests for haste and will usually toss it before a boss or something, or when requested, but 35 sp out of a pool of 400 sp means that each 1 minute (total! duration) haste is nearly ten percent of my spell bar. Guess what my spell points *aren't* being spent on until I reach around level 9ish, when the duration gets a bit better to 2 minutes...

[MrWizard]

I have been working on my TR daily... One thing I have noticed about casters is the lack of haste. Why is this? I can even deal with sporadic haste... but lately it is no haste at all. Unless of course you have other TR's using their shroud clickies.

new casters an occassional haste is a great thing... plus haste can open a striding slot for something else

show the love, toss a haste

haste?...lol

how about resist energy or blur?
or hypnotize?
or heroism/greater heroism?
or stoneskin?
or hold person/monster?

......

[CSFurious]

i join pugs all of the time, most newer arcane casters have no clue about the power of haste

they are probably not going to read this thread either

[KingOfCheese]

You kids are always in a hurry these days. Back in my day, we didn't have haste.

[Arlith]

haste?...lol

how about resist energy or blur?
or hypnotize?
or heroism/greater heroism?
or stoneskin?
or hold person/monster?

......

My casters will throw out blurs. Resists, I will for any that do not have their own bluebar (except bards, kinda silly not giving them reisists).

Hypno? No one repsects the dots these days. I stop em in their tracks and some pinhead with a great axe wakes em all up.

I don't mind throwing out heroism, or GH. But everyone should have GH on a clicky by level 10, and a couple of clickies by 20.

Stoneskin? That's a little tougher. Used to. But my fighter has clickes of it, and I feel everyone can do the same. Perhaps that is the elitist prick showing.

Hold monster I honestly only used when soloing with my puncturing picks.

I will also say I am much more stingy throwing out buffs on my wizzy than on my sorc.

[SINIBYTE]

They sell it by the bottle, or by the clicky for shrouders.

I give up on asking for any buffs, the caster either does them or doesn't.

Which is why I made a GS Smoke cloak with displacement and carry a stack of haste pots, draconic necklace and gird for GH's, bottled rage, resist pots and an assortment of other goodies... Oddly enough when I jump on my Sorc, I buff the **** out of everyone... (I'm trying to set a precident here, maybe if I buff everyone all the time, when they reroll a caster they'll do that same).

[SINIBYTE]

Want to see really truly amusing? Try saying "Haste on me" over voice chat or heck type it in. Watching the zerging kill counters stop dead in their tracks, look around to find you, back up, run straight at you and halt is hilarious. And hey, you then have them in a neat little group.

I do that on my barb... still stops them dead in their tracks. Sometimes the catser in the group will even cast it, heh.

[MrWizard]

My casters will throw out blurs. Resists, I will for any that do not have their own bluebar (except bards, kinda silly not giving them reisists).

Hypno? No one repsects the dots these days. I stop em in their tracks and some pinhead with a great axe wakes em all up.

I don't mind throwing out heroism, or GH. But everyone should have GH on a clicky by level 10, and a couple of clickies by 20.

Stoneskin? That's a little tougher. Used to. But my fighter has clickes of it, and I feel everyone can do the same. Perhaps that is the elitist prick showing.

Hold monster I honestly only used when soloing with my puncturing picks.

I will also say I am much more stingy throwing out buffs on my wizzy than on my sorc.

it was more about low level bringing up a TR, below 10.

I went through all 10 levels and rarely saw a single buff or crowd control other than web now and then...period..

it is horrible out there.

[systemstate]

Good thing haste doesn't age you 1 year per use like in the old D&D rules. All my characters would have died of old age within a week.

[Rubiconn]

I have no problem passing out haste at any level but if I ask the party to gather so I can buff or rehaste and they dont stop then you go slow sorry.

It seems more an issue with SP conservation, perhaps when there are 2 mobs you dont need to maximize,extend, heighten, etc that firewall. Even coming up if it was just a small crowd I let the melees handle it, throw a haste on em to get them killed faster and away we go.

Several posters are correct, I may not play the perfect wizard but if I know the quest I try and use my mana so it lasts until the next shrine thats part of being a good caster. I dont waste SP on things that dont need em, and I haste all the time, Im warforged and slow.

When I TR'd my paly(lvl15 now) I was running GH last night and we had a wiz and a sorc and neither one had haste, I couldnt believe it. After we got done I pulled them aside and asked what spells they had, made a couple of suggestions on spell changes. I was rebuffed(and not the stoneskin GH way) and told that they got their guy to level 13 without haste they dont need help from a Paladin. I explained to no avail that I had a capped wiz.

Someone famous and funny said "You cant fix stupid" Perhaps when these people start getting to the shroud they will realize how important certain spells are or they will only get to run with each other and never complete because of stupidity.

rant done!

[Arlith]

it was more about low level bringing up a TR, below 10.

I went through all 10 levels and rarely saw a single buff or crowd control other than web now and then...period..

it is horrible out there.

Oh yeah, I forget. Sorry, I usually don't group at all until level 8 or 9, and then only with guildies or well known friends.