First THF Build

[sephiroth_final]

Alright, I worked out my first build a Dwarf Greataxe dps THF fighter and I want to know where it stands and what could be improved.
Sorry about format, wasn't sure how to paste a spreadsheet.

Feats
1 Weapon Focus: Slashing, Two-Handed Fighting
2 Power Attack
3 Toughness
4 Weapon Specialization: Slashing
5
6 Cleave, Improved Two-Handed Fighting
7
8 Greater Weapon Focus
9 Improved Critical: Slashing
10 Great Cleave
11
12 Greater Two-Handed Fighting, Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing
13
14 Dodge
15 Iron Will
16 Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing
17
18 Lightning Reflex, Mobility
19
20 Spring Attack

Enhanment Req Cost Total
Dwarven Axe Damage I - 0 2 2
Fighter Attack Boost I - 0 1 3
Fighter Critical Accuracy I - 0 1 4
Fighter Strength I - 2 2 6
Fighter Toughness I - 0 1 7
Racial Toughness I - 7 1 8
Dwarven Constitution I - 6 2 10
Dwarven Axe Attack I - 10 2 12
Fighter Critical Accuracy II - 10 2 14
Fighter Attack Boost II - 10 2 16
Fighter Kensai I - 16 4 20
Fighter Strength II - 16 4 24
Kensai Greataxe Mastery I - 19 1 25
Fighter Critical Accuracy II - 21 3 28
Fighter Greataxe Spec I - 27 1 29
Fighter Toughness II - 10 2 31
Fighter Strength III - 30 6 37
Dwarven Axe Attack II - 32 4 41
Fighter Critical Accuracy IV - 32 4 45
Fighter Kensai II - 42 2 47
Kensai Greataxe Mastery II - 43 1 48
Fighter Attack Boost II - 21 3 51
Fighter Attack Boost III - 32 4 55
Fighter Toughness III 21 3 58
Fighter Greataxe Spec II - 58 2 60
Racial Toughness II - 18 2 62
Racial Toughness IV - 40 4 66
Fighter Kensai III - 66 2 68
Kensai Greataxe Mastery III - 67 1 69
Racial Toughness III - 29 3 72
Fighter Toughness IV - 32 4 76
Fighter Weapon Alacrity -74 2 78

[Consumer]

Drop Cleave and Great Cleave.

Max Fighter Haste Boost.

Drop some toughness enhancements.

Pick up Dwarf Axe Damage.

Fit in Quick Draw to make the most of your boosts.


Be aware that once you reach higher levels THF without an epic SoS (great sword) will give poor results compared to TWF. It may be better to go Wf so that your bonus damage is not restricted to Great Axes.

+rep for making your own build rather than having someone else do it for you.

[sephiroth_final]

What would be ideal stat breakdown of TWF? I came up with 18 str, 16 dex, 16 con, 8, 8, 8 with a dex tome sometime before level 6.

Also, how is Sword of Shadow any better than an +5 Adamantium Greataxe?

[Vynnt]

What would be ideal stat breakdown of TWF? I came up with 18 str, 16 dex, 16 con, 8, 8, 8 with a dex tome sometime before level 6.

Also, how is Sword of Shadow any better than an +5 Adamantium Greataxe?

SoS and eSoS have a bigger damage dice than a Greataxe, and a much better crit multiplier/crit range. Crit multiplier/range is a huge part of what makes weapons good.

Personally, I would drop the Spring Attack line, and go with more toughnesses to replace them. You will already have no trouble hitting, even in epic, but you can never have too much hp.

[sephiroth_final]

I guess, I just cant understand how 2d6 18-20x3 can be better than 1d12 19-20x3 (sos vs bereavement) with the added bonus of dwarf axe enhancements. Number-wise it just doesn't seem to work out for me.

Okay, spring attack line is gone, it was actually just filler because I couldn't think of anything else.

And if I were to go with a great sword build instead, I would probably be better off with a Human right?

[Consumer]

SoS on its own isn't as good as a greensteel greataxe, epic SoS however is a killing machine.

Its 5d6+10, 18-20 *3, in the hands of a pure Fighter it gives the highest non situational DPS in the game.

http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Weapo...word_of_Shadow

[sephiroth_final]

Wow, ok, So I think I and going human greatsword build, I have always valued consistency which greatswords offer over great axe, thank you two for your help. =)

And what about the Power critical feat, is that worth putting in place of cleave or one of the spring attacks?

I am also a bit confused about Quick Draw, what do I need a range weapon for aside form pulling?

And does Human Improved recovery effect potions (my guess is no)?

Okay, so here is my updated Human GS THF build, what do you guys think of this one?

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Sydous Vici
Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Male
(20 Fighter) 
Hit Points: 366
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 11
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    27
Dexterity            14                    14
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               12                    12
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                    13
Bluff                -1                     2
Concentration         2                     5
Diplomacy            -1                     2
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  1                     4
Hide                  2                     2
Intimidate           -1                     2
Jump                  6                    24
Listen                1                     1
Move Silently         2                     2
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                  1                     1
Swim                  4                     8
Tumble                3                     3
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 5 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Iron Will
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Kensei Greatsword Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I


Level 7 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Greatsword Specialization I


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Lightning Reflexes
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III


Level 11 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy IV


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Kensei Greatsword Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II


Level 13 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost IV


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Critical
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Luck of Heroes
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Greatsword Specialization II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 17 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Human Versatility II


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Kensei Greatsword Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
Enhancement: Human Versatility III


Level 19 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Weapon Alacrity

[Vynnt]

Power crit is a useless feat, especially for fighters. As a Kensai, you need to take enhancements that buff your crit confirm anyway. If you can hit things on a 2, you can confirm your crit, with a seeker item and crit accuracy enhancements, crit confirm becomes a non-issue.

Despite what Quick Draw says, it really helps your action boosts be quicker. Action boosts are a huge part of being a fighter.

Improved recovery helps with potions too.

A dwarf with a G Axe should do more than a human with G Sword. What makes G Sword better than G Axe is eSoS, and that's very far away from you right now. You can always reset your enhancements (they use the same feats). Although, come time for when you make your Green Steel, you should figure out which you want.

[sephiroth_final]

Well, I guess since I was actually running out of useful feats by the end of my build I don't know how much I gain for going human, I thank you all for your help, I think it is now time to start playing. =)

[Hobgoblin]

if you dont what else to take, take toughness

you can fit most of what you want on your fighter feets


hob

[sephiroth_final]

Problem is basically all I had left were fighter feats, and for whatever reason, toughness isn't one of them.

[Vynnt]

Problem is basically all I had left were fighter feats, and for whatever reason, toughness isn't one of them.

The key to overcoming that, is to delay feats that fit in fighter bonus feats, and organize it so toughness can be taken as your regular level feats.

[sephiroth_final]

Alright, so delay reward for a bigger reward later, I think I learned about something like that in kindergarten, must have forgot. =)

On that note, how important is Power Attack early on? Because without delaying any focus, specialization or two hand fighting feats it won't fit in until 18 if I keep all fighter feats in the bonus levels.

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Level 20 Chaotic Good Dwarf Male
(20 Fighter) 
Hit Points: 388
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 11
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    26
Dexterity            14                    14
Constitution         16                    16
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               12                    12
Charisma              6                     6

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 5 (Fighter)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I


Level 7 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization I


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack II


Level 11 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Iron Will
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II


Level 13 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy IV


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Lightning Reflexes
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost IV
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III


Level 17 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization II


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Luck of Heroes
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III


Level 19 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Weapon Alacrity

[unbongwah]

On a THFer the sooner you take PA the better, IMHO; you ought to be able to use it on trash mobs almost right away. Perhaps you could take it instead of one of your 73 Toughness feats? HPs are important, but geez, they're not the only thing that matters.

[sephiroth_final]

Alright, thanks, was pretty sure 4 would be enough anyhow =P

[unbongwah]

I would take your dwarf CON enhs for +2 CON, maybe a couple extra Toughness enhs; that's a more efficient way of boosting your HPs, IMHO. You'll probably want to drop your armor mastery enhs; at a glance, this is not a high-AC / tanking build, AFAICT.

[sephiroth_final]

Was intended to be more of a dps fighter, but changing the enhancements around a bit wouldn't be to hard, thanks for the advice.