WF Wiz 15/Rogue3/Fighter2

[Veriok]

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Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Female
(2 Fighter \ 3 Rogue \ 15 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 292
Spell Points: 1004 
BAB: 11\11\16\21
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 14
Will: 8

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 20                   21
Dexterity            10                 10                   10
Constitution         16                 16                   18
Intelligence         18                 21                   23
Wisdom                6                  6                    6
Charisma              6                  6                    6

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 4
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                     8
Bluff                -2                    -2
Concentration         5                    25
Diplomacy            -2                    -2
Disable Device        8                    29
Haggle                2                     2
Heal                 -2                    -2
Hide                  4                     4
Intimidate           -2                     0
Jump                  7                    13
Listen               -2                    -2
Move Silently         4                     4
Open Lock             4                    10
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                4                     6
Search                8                    29
Spot                  2                     4
Swim                  3                     5
Tumble                4                     4
Use Magic Device      2                    21

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Student of the Sword


Level 4 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT


Level 5 (Wizard)


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 7 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell


Level 8 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 12 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Wizard)


Level 14 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell


Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Wizard)


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness (No idea what to pick up here, too low BAB for GTHF)


Level 19 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness (No idea what to pick up here, maybe empower or higheten?)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I (This gives +2 to UMD also, fo offsetting low base charisma)
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing I
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing II
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing III
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Quickening I
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Quickening II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements II
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Force I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements II
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation II
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation III
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Wizard Force Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Force Manipulation II
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack II
Enhancement: Warforged Great Weapon Aptitude I
Enhancement: Warforged Great Weapon Aptitude II

Anygood for causual play?

[unbongwah]

What exactly do you want to accomplish with this build that a rogue 2 / wizard 18 can't do as well or better? You're giving up lvl 9 spells for...well, what, exactly? Your BAB is only 1 pt higher (10 vs 11) if I'm adding right; so you'll most likely be dependent on Divine Power clickies to be any good at melee at higher lvls with either build. You've got some extra HPs, but no one will mistake you for a true front-line fighter. A couple of your feats like WF Slash are fairly weak. You didn't take Pale Master, so evidently you're not trying to do something clever with its forms. Basically I just don't see what you're going for here.

[Veriok]

Second one, inspired by Last Elf Standing build:

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Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Female
(2 Fighter \ 6 Monk \ 12 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 286
Spell Points: 629 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 15
Will: 17

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 21                   22
Dexterity            16                 17                   18
Constitution         14                 14                   14
Intelligence          8                  8                    8
Wisdom               15                 15                   18
Charisma              8                  8                    8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 4

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    11
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         2                    27
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  2                     6
Hide                  3                     4
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  7                    11
Listen                2                     6
Move Silently         3                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                     1
Spot                  2                     6
Swim                  3                     6
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Whirling Steel Strike


Level 4 (Cleric)


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Monk)


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 19 (Monk)


Level 20 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Lightning Reflexes
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II
Enhancement: Fists of Iron
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Adept of Flame
Enhancement: Adept of Rain
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Heal I
Enhancement: Cleric Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I

[Veriok]

What exactly do you want to accomplish with this build that a rogue 2 / wizard 18 can't do as well or better?

Melee?

You're giving up lvl 9 spells for...well, what, exactly?

And what of these *overrated* 9 level spells? Only decent one for a battle mage is mass hold monster, but with my int and lack of enhancement focuses its not gonna land anyway, on higher content.

so you'll most likely be dependent on Divine Power clickies to be any good at melee at higher lvls with either build.

Selfbuffing and decent eq will suffice for trash. Past life feat and divine power clickies will do the job with stuff thats got higher AC.

You didn't take Pale Master, so evidently you're not trying to do something clever with its forms.

Why should I bother spending most of my AP's and spending two feats just to get few weak summons and forms that make me immune to my repair spells? For 25% incorporeal or +4 con? Is that really worth for any melee except wiz/monk splash? (debuffs works when unarmed)

A couple of your feats like WF Slash are fairly weak.

+1 to hit aint maybe doing a big difference, but there's really not a lot of feats a battle wizard can take to enhance his melee abilities.

Basically I just don't see what you're going for here.

Hey, at least thanks for answering.

[Qzipoun]

If you want a good battlemage wizard build, search the forums for "YABM", great build made by Gol.

My main is a Wiz/Rog/Ftr, posting here in hopes that I remember the thread after work

[Austinb1235]

What? Is it good for casual play? If your trying to accomplish a build that might be ok for casual you need to already re build it and change it, why go 3 rouge? 2 rouge will get you evasion, barely anything more if you go +1 more level. The only reason you go fighter is for haste boost(but rouge already has) a little more hp, and feats.

You dont need imp crit, you can use a mineral 2, so thats -1 more level of fighter that you dont need

You dont want 2 toughnesses on this build, so thats -1 level of fighter, what you should be is 17wiz/2rouge/1fighter

Take away the +2 into dex and put it into wisdom, atleast your getting something out of it, you dont get anything out of it in dex.

[Syntax42]

I don't know what you think you're trying to do, but you need to decide. If you want to melee, don't bother with Wizard levels. If you want to cast, don't take more than 2 rogue levels. The 18wiz/2rog build is popular because it works well. A build like this won't cast well enough for end-game content and you will miss too often to put out any meaningful melee DPS. Even with a divine power clicky, your Str will be too low to be useful. As it was said before, get rid of the points in Dex. Do you think you need it for AC? Insightful Reflexes is all you need for reflex saves. Max Int at creation and put all points into it as you level.

Start with: 18 con, 18 int, rest in str so you can melee at LOW LEVELS ONLY.

Mixed arcane caster and melee builds usually do not work well in this game. There have been a few that people have had success with. Look those up and model your build after theirs.

[K_0tiC]

Not for casual play, these kinds of builds need alot of raid loot/twinking to preform well in endgame/raiding content. Also time spent leveling up can be abit rough if you dont take the right mixes of levels/feats, have a good understanding of the enhancements and whats needed, and the ability to swap feats as you progress. They are fun builds but require a good understanding of game mechanics and knowing what your strengths and weakness's are.

[unbongwah]

Melee?

And I repeat: how is this build going to be any better at it than a rogue 2 / wizard 18 with Master's Touch? You've got +1 BAB, a bunch more HPs, and two extra melee feats - anything else?

And what of these *overrated* 9 level spells?

But you're not just sacrificing lvl 9 spells; you're also sacrificing spell pts, a bunch of spell slots, -3 to Spell Penetration checks, and -1 to max DC (presuming you took Heighten, which you didn't). It just doesn't seem like you gain enough extra melee ability for those 3 wizard levels you give up.

[Gol]

And I repeat: how is this build going to be any better at it than a rogue 2 / wizard 18 with Master's Touch? You've got +1 BAB, a bunch more HPs, and two extra melee feats - anything else?

But you're not just sacrificing lvl 9 spells; you're also sacrificing spell pts, a bunch of spell slots, -3 to Spell Penetration checks, and -1 to max DC (presuming you took Heighten, which you didn't). It just doesn't seem like you gain enough extra melee ability for those 3 wizard levels you give up.

I would be willing to argue that you either do not understand the purpose of a melee caster or do not understand how to build one. Because that's what the OP wants, and you're basically telling him he sucks because he's not a DC-focused primary casting machine. Ironically enough, he quite obviously has neither that desire nor that intention.

As I posted in another thread at the top of the forum right now, check out these builds for both sample builds as well as excellent discussion about them and the concepts of a battle caster.

YABM
Tucaw
Gemstone
Arcane Knight

[Veriok]

I would be willing to argue that you either do not understand the purpose of a melee caster or do not understand how to build one. Because that's what the OP wants, and you're basically telling him he sucks because he's not a DC-focused primary casting machine. Ironically enough, he quite obviously has neither that desire nor that intention.

As I posted in another thread at the top of the forum right now, check out these builds for both sample builds as well as excellent discussion about them and the concepts of a battle caster.

YABM
Tucaw
Gemstone
Arcane Knight

Thank you for understanding.

These builds you linked are overall something I've been looking of, especially YABM's (Which I found earlier) - but most of them focuses on monk splash and TWF. I would rather avoid that, not its not good, but its just not my style.

My reasoning (Correct me if im wrong):

Standard rogue 2/wiz 18 is just not appeling enough to me - and the first build I've listed gets kind of tight on skill points, even if i just drop it to DD, search, concentration and UMD (reason for rogue 3, extra 1d6 sneak attack dont hurt neither. As for why, its because all these precious level up points goes into strenght instead of int, so the skill points gain could be only upped with tomes).

Reason for taking fighter 2 is just extra feat, +1 bab and +1 feat str - having one more level of wizard would give me 1 more level 8 spell (kind of useless), + to spells duration, +1 spell pen and a few sp's - for a battle wizards its obivious whats better.

17 wiz/2 rogue/1 fighter would propably suffice, but it comes with sacrificing the trapskills for the meteor shower/mass hold monster.

Im thinking of taking empower spells too, but could be too costly in terms of AP's. Doh.