Saying "Rape" does not make you cool kids...

[McBadger]

A gentleman avoids such course language. This smartly dress chap for example.


The above elf knows that good manners are the grease that keeps ddo running smooth.
Diareah smooth.
No corn.

[arminius]

First of all, we've already had this debate, back at the beginning of F2P. There is no need to have it again.

Second, there recently seems to be a movement afoot to make Ghallanda drama central. Stop it! If I wanted to play on Khyber, I'd have played on Khyber.

[Robi3.0]

So you're arguing both sides?

Question.

No, I am saying that absolute statements like " the word rape is bad regardless of context" are not cool.

I am also saying that in general being mindful of what you say around strangers is best.

And trying to be rude to people on purpose makes you an ass.


I am True Neutral.

[PopeJual]

Rape is a word with several meanings and the dictionary lists 14.

The "fighter" could have meant "an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside" while the OP (for whatever reason) only considered the forced sexual encounter definition. Horray for jumping to conclusions and running to the forum to post about it!

Let's see if this gets smacked down as fast as Hi Welcome does.

[Gunga]

Let's see if this gets smacked down as fast as Hi Welcome does.

Surely Hi Welcome is more offensive than Rape.

pfft

Peoplez makez me so crazy zumtimez.

[oberon131313]

Surely Hi Welcome is more offensive than Rape.

pfft

Peoplez makez me so crazy zumtimez.

not that you needed assistance.

[Gunga]

No, I am saying that absolute statements like " the word rape is bad regardless of context" are not cool.

I am also saying that in general being mindful of what you say around strangers is best.

And trying to be rude to people on purpose makes you an ass.


I am True Neutral.

Well you keep campaigning for words that can be incredibly offensive to people like *** and Rape and why not throw in some pejoritive racial slurs and a Nazi while you're at it.

I'll continue to support the notion that there are plenty of other words in the vast english vocabulary that won't cause people real harm.

For instance, I would prefer to trade *** and Rape for Hi Welcome.

But I'm far too controversial to be telling this forum its business.

[Robi3.0]

Well you keep campaigning for words that can be incredibly offensive to people like *** and Rape and why not throw in some pejoritive racial slurs and a Nazi while you're at it.

I'll continue to support the notion that there are plenty of other words in the vast english vocabulary that won't cause people real harm.

For instance, I would prefer to get trade *** and Rape and for Hi Welcome.

But I'm far too controversial to be telling this forum its business.

Not sure why you are directing all this hate at me. I didn't get your catch phrase banned

I am sure if everyone spammed the first post of almost every thread with Hi Rape or any other combination of words or letters those would get banned as well.

[woundweaver]

I don't think the subject is at all "********" or something to joke about.

The statistical data generally indicates that sexual assaults are tragically common, and the vast majority go unreported (at least to the police). Most people probably have a family member or female acquaintance who has been sexually assaulted, but may not know it.

The people using semantic quibbling to defend being offensive, why don't you try asking the women you know if they think it's ok to use "rape" in a casual or joking context.

who cares of statistics?? this is ddo!!
if the word "rape" offends you......then go play hello kitty or farmville. this is definately not the game for you when you murder, deceive, and kill puppies and lizards!!

no one is saying rape isnt bad, for the record. have a brain people!! if its used out of context, then by all means throw a fit, and report the person. if it is used in context and offends you, you have 2 options. drop group, or ask the other guy to stop using it. if he doesnt, boot him, replace him. that simple

hell of a lot easier than drive by greenis attacks, bit@hing, and beating a dead horse. you guys dont have anything better to do in game than to post here about a silly word?? and for the record, the women i know in rl, and in game arent as uptight as you over a simple word. some are worse than the fellas....

all this is funny to me....because i personally dont use the word. good god i play on sarlona!! where the women are loose, and the players less offended. drama queens and fanbois be damned!!!

[Gunga]

Not sure why you are directing all this hate at me. I didn't get your catch phrase banned

I am sure if everyone spammed the first post of almost every thread with Hi Rape or any other combination of words or letters those would get banned as well.

I'm not directing hate at all...though if you feel sensitive to my tone it may be guilt for supporting the use of words that provoke violence. Hi Welcome wasn't mine, but as a fan of mildly cerebral sarcastic humor, I appreciated it far more than the right to use the word "rape."

PS: Little smiley faces don't make people who were raped feel better about you campaigning for its casual use.

[incontinetia]

This reminded me of:

The purpose of Newspeak was not only to provide a medium of expression for the world-view and mental habits proper to the devotees of Ingsoc, but to make all other modes of thought impossible.
1984 (Nineteen Eighty-Four)

[Robi3.0]

I'm not directing hate at all...though if you feel sensitive to my tone it may be guilt for supporting the use of words that provoke violence. Hi Welcome wasn't mine, but as a fan of mildly cerebral sarcastic humor, I appreciated it far more than the right to use the word "rape."

PS: Little smiley faces don't make people who were raped feel better about you campaigning for its casual use.

Hmm I don't feel guilty about anything let alone the use of a word. I never once said that rape should be used casually in fact I believe I have cautioned against it, but apparently I would have better luck arguing with a wall, so I am going to drop it.

Obviously someone found Hi Welcome offensive.

[Carelicoa]

Okay, I think we have all decided that rape is a bad thing. That being said, get over what people say. You decide how stuff affects you, and curling up and dying every time someone says a 'bad word' (what are we here, 12?) will affect no one but you, and most likely negatively. Sometimes it is necessary to speak- I doubt anyone here will defend hate speech- but for something like 'rape' which has negative meaning, but is a known slang word, I don't think it is really worth the effort. As my mother used to say, those who curse or use such vulgarities excessively are usually hiding behind them for some reason.

My younger bro has Down's Syndrome. It gives me a little frisson of anger every time I hear someone casually toss around the word "********" or when someone makes the "durr" noise, beating their hand against their chest. Hell, I used to get downright angry about it and tell people off.

Then I realized that it was me, not them, that had to learn to deal. People by and large are idiots. They don't realize how bad something is until they experience it firsthand, and then even they might not remember it. Yeah, it would be nice for everyone to suddenly tiptoe on eggshells to avoid any offense whatsoever, but it isn't happening. The best we can do is just learn to let things roll off our backs, unless it is serious. Making smartassed, if immature, statements on the internet before a dungeon in a game made of pixels... well, there are bigger things to worry about.

[woundweaver]

hehehehe

INBTL!!!!

[Adarro]

/flagpole

I'm not directing hate at all...though if you feel sensitive to my tone it may be guilt for supporting the use of words that provoke violence. Hi Welcome wasn't mine, but as a fan of mildly cerebral sarcastic humor, I appreciated it far more than the right to use the word "rape."

PS: Little smiley faces don't make people who were raped feel better about you campaigning for its casual use.

One of my best friends suffered retardation from a bad bout with Spinal Meningitis and Epilepsy.
I've found out as I grew up that many more women I knew had been violated that I would have thought possible.
I have been on the receiving end of some racial actions involving gun pointing (oh, and these WERE the police), not just some off-colour words.
There are high-school friends that are no longer around because of some stupid drive-by violence.

So, believe me, I take those things VERY seriously. I'm fairly certain Robi does too.
The difference is that when I hear someone say, "This quest is ********" I don't think creating a "Either you're With Us or Against Us" line of "Those who abhor anything even tangibly related or somehow linked to a potential concept" or "the enemy".

I don't think they're attacking my friends, I don't think they feel anything in particular about the causes, the research or the detrimental effect of mental illness, pre-natal health care or any socioeconomic platform of third world countries.

Essentially I think there is a world of difference between people who use certain words especially casually, and people who THINK / BELIEVE certain things.

I have good friends that regularly toss around some racial slur / skinny vs fat / dumb vs smart words around, and these people are just gold, indescribably willing to give the shirt off their back to help people.

There are people out there that have never uttered the 'N-word', but feel people of a certain color are not really human but as disposable as an animal. These are the people to look out for.

I can appreciate your strong feelings, I just don't think blacklisting a word is an effective means to countering a malicious act. In fact, I think it helps to perpetuate the "just don't talk about it" environment that lets said atrocities happen.

Of course, you and I pretty much firmly agree to strongly disagree on most things.

Then I realized that it was me, not them, that had to learn to deal. People by and large are idiots. They don't realize how bad something is until they experience it firsthand, and then even they might not remember it. Yeah, it would be nice for everyone to suddenly tiptoe on eggshells to avoid any offense whatsoever, but it isn't happening. The best we can do is just learn to let things roll off our backs, unless it is serious. Making smartassed, if immature, statements on the internet before a dungeon in a game made of pixels... well, there are bigger things to worry about.

Well said... although my ideal world is NOT walking on eggshells. I'd honestly rather accidentally offend someone and make up for it than miss out on so much more because I didn't want to risk hurting somebody.

On a much needed lighter note, we come here to game, to relax and unwind, and enjoy. So that's really what we should be doing instead of looking out for the ugly in the world.

OTOH, we do that by killing, pillaging and plundering and at least one case of potential violation (see girl who advises you of the jeweled-key in 'The Bounty Hunter'), so it's kind of hard for me to say 'casual use of murder, backstabbing and being sent in to completely eliminate competition of opposing schools of thought (see Silver Flame on tolerance) is great entertainment, but don't use the words 'X', 'Y' and 'Z' because they are the downfall of our society.

/ibtl 2

[Sweetpea]

quickly, i am not trying to make any other server drama central, i play on argo for crying out loud, there is no hope to be drama free there nor would i care if there was.

i am someone who is 99% hard to offend. however when i am offended i am going to say so. clearly, loudly and repeatedly until i am sure that the person realises i am for once not joking.

the word rape offends me yes, ppl using it in game dont realise how offensive it sounds. there are plenty of things i have said that have offended ppl, i always apologise when they let me know and do my best never to say it in front of them again.

my point has always been, if you know a term is going to be found offensive, whether by a minority or majority, use it in private parties, not lfms or in pugs. its common decency.

[Sweetpea]

Adarro
+1 rep.

there are plenty of others i've rep'd but yours is probably the one post that really makes complete sense while still sitting on the fence

[gamblerjoe]

i think i need to go pray.

[Ranmaru2]

I don't think the subject is at all "********" or something to joke about.

The statistical data generally indicates that sexual assaults are tragically common, and the vast majority go unreported (at least to the police). Most people probably have a family member or female acquaintance who has been sexually assaulted, but may not know it.

The people using semantic quibbling to defend being offensive, why don't you try asking the women you know if they think it's ok to use "rape" in a casual or joking context.

Knowing people that have had this happen to them and still being able to joke around with them using the word rape, I can say that the whole "it's offensive PERIOD" stance is false. Just like the word "Comrade."

Do you go yelling at the management of a baseball team at their stadium because you were a citizen in a war and they use the old "buddabumbum bumBUM! CHARGE!" thing? Probably not.

Do you go read "A Modest Proposal" and think that Jonathan Swift is the most anti-irish person to ever live? I'd sure as hell hope not.

The OP could have ignored the statement or sent a PM saying, "I do not approve of you using that word nor like to see it, could you please refrain from using it for the rest of the group?" But they didn't, So now we have an epic noobwhiner sauce thread on our hands with people singing the same old song about any kind of negative word.. They chose to be just as much of an offensive dolt by furthering their ideal upon the party, and I'm actually happy to see what the "Cleric" of the party said as being included.

I think more of you need to group with Narus. Instant backbone improvement.

oh yeah and in before the cube:

[Adarro]

Adarro
+1 rep.

there are plenty of others i've rep'd but yours is probably the one post that really makes complete sense while still sitting on the fence

TYVM,
I'm working on making my own Greenis Home Depot