scourage chocker on a non melee caster

[bendover]

That's actually pretty funny. If it's true atleast all the gold farmers in 1 place where maybe Turbine can catch them easier.

Hurtz gonna have to update his original post again I guess.

While they are plat farmers and what they do with their items in the chest is in fact against policy which is a bannable offense their gaining of renown isn't. So there is nothing wrong with them being number 1 guild as far as renown because they are earning the renown by doing as intended and no one can fault them for that. But again as far as what they do with the actual equipment/plat they should be punished for.

[thisgamesull]

Check the leaderboards on myddo. Then you will see that ew has been unsurped by a small guild nobody knows, hence his post.

oops

[mudfud]

While they are plat farmers and what they do with their items in the chest is in fact against policy which is a bannable offense their gaining of renown isn't. So there is nothing wrong with them being number 1 guild as far as renown because they are earning the renown by doing as intended and no one can fault them for that. But again as far as what they do with the actual equipment/plat they should be punished for.

Most definately. I was more referring to the fact if they really were plat farmers. I don't care much about renown one way or another and usually taunt guild leaving it in chest.

[Calozz78]

Come on Hurtzz...you know just like I do that the choker is ideal for a well built caster with no Torc...

My only question for you is...where is your torc newb :P

Get the tr over with and start playing with the elitist again and save yourself from this drama

Your friend Vulger

Pantera ftw

[woundweaver]

i personally dont care if the other guild gets to 100. dont change my playstyle none. odd, yes, no one ever hardly sees them. odd that they can jump a couple lvls in a day with only 42 members. EW has a rep, they dont. bottom line. people would rather group with us than some guild thats hardly known. we play for fun, maybe they play for plat. who knows, and who really cares? all that matters is we stay a tight ship, and uphold EW's rep at all costs.
just my couple coppers worth

[thisgamesull]

Come on Hurtzz...you know just like I do that the choker is ideal for a well built caster with no Torc...

My only question for you is...where is your torc newb :P

Get the tr over with and start playing with the elitist again and save yourself from this drama

Your friend Vulger

Pantera ftw

Yeah but you guys started getting wings so I decided I needed mine.
as for the Torc I have 1 on 3 of my casters Rezzin,Ohmzz,and Nameerror

I wonder If they think that finger necklace only works for Warforge

[Creeper]

Most (flesh) casters I know don't have enough hp to stand up to mobs to take advantage of scourge choker. Unless they are the robot casters which seem to be the new craze I'm all for that.

Not to de-rail the thread just because its the highest renown ranked guild doesn't make it the most knowledgable one either.

You only need to get hit once. I'm not sure what you are imagining the difference is between "flesh" and "robot" HP, but I assure you it is not as big of a difference as you imply. Regardless, having less HP is all the more reason to use the thing.

[bendover]

You only need to get hit once. I'm not sure what you are imagining the difference is between "flesh" and "robot" HP, but I assure you it is not as big of a difference as you imply. Regardless, having less HP is all the more reason to use the thing.

But the ultimate point of this tread is if you're swinging a weapon you should NOT be using the choker... That's it if you don't then it's okay.

[thisgamesull]

but The Ultimate Point Of This Tread Is If You're Swinging A Weapon You Should Not Be Using The Choker... That's It If You Don't Then It's Okay.

only use from a choker on a swinging melee is for screenies (ie highest strength and con)

[bendover]

only use from a choker on a swinging melee is for screenies (ie highest strength and con)

Like some of the guys on here that love stroking their e-peen. We won't mention names

[Creeper]

But the ultimate point of this tread is if you're swinging a weapon you should NOT be using the choker... That's it if you don't then it's okay.

I thought the point was that using it on a mid level caster is not something to laugh at. At least that's the point the OP was making. Then mudfud said that most flesh casters he knew didn't have enough HP to stand up to mobs to take advantage of it. My point was it is an even better idea if your caster has low hps and that the difference between wf and non-wf hps is not enough to make a difference between standing there and taking advantage of it; which I didn't get because standing there taking advantage of it somehow implies getting hit when you have the option to not get hit which would be ignorant to take damage (lose hps) just to get more con (more hps).

It's not like the DoD which often takes several hits to proc. The SC procs all the time. You don't need to intentionaly take several hits to get it to proc, and to do so would be useless. This was what I was getting at.

But, yes, I agree that if you are swinging a weapon you shouldn't use it, I just don't see where I (nor anyone else) implied that a person should, so that you felt that it should be pointed out to me. When not to use it is very obvious to anyone who has ever used it while swinging a weapon and even hinted at in the proc text.

[Quikster]

When not to use it is very obvious to anyone who has ever used it while swinging a weapon and even hinted at in the proc text.

While I have no doubts you are clear when to use the choker, I wish this statement was true. All to often I have seen melee using it.

[thisgamesull]

I thought the point was that using it on a mid level caster is not something to laugh at. At least that's the point the OP was making. Then mudfud said that most flesh casters he knew didn't have enough HP to stand up to mobs to take advantage of it. My point was it is an even better idea if your caster has low hps and that the difference between wf and non-wf hps is not enough to make a difference between standing there and taking advantage of it; which I didn't get because standing there taking advantage of it somehow implies getting hit when you have the option to not get hit which would be ignorant to take damage (lose hps) just to get more con (more hps).

It's not like the DoD which often takes several hits to proc. The SC procs all the time. You don't need to intentionaly take several hits to get it to proc, and to do so would be useless. This was what I was getting at.

But, yes, I agree that if you are swinging a weapon you shouldn't use it, I just don't see where I (nor anyone else) implied that a person should, so that you felt that it should be pointed out to me. When not to use it is very obvious to anyone who has ever used it while swinging a weapon and even hinted at in the proc text.

If you are a guard/intimidate or both build that sheild blocks with it,then that is another good use, cause it works alot like DR

[Irinis]

Yeah a barbarian now-ex-guildie wanted mine, wish I'd kept it for my caster now.

[Creeper]

While I have no doubts you are clear when to use the choker, I wish this statement was true. All to often I have seen melee using it.

It reminds me of people spilling hot coffee on themselves (CAUTION: Contents are HOT!) and being numb to the pain.

[mudfud]

You only need to get hit once. I'm not sure what you are imagining the difference is between "flesh" and "robot" HP, but I assure you it is not as big of a difference as you imply. Regardless, having less HP is all the more reason to use the thing.

Was poking fun at a guildie who gets 1 shot from mobs on his sorc. He reads but doesn't post on forums so means he'll say something tonight when he logs in. Won't help him if he dead after he gets hit.

[moops]

i personally dont care if the other guild gets to 100. dont change my playstyle none. odd, yes, no one ever hardly sees them. odd that they can jump a couple lvls in a day with only 42 members. EW has a rep, they dont. bottom line. people would rather group with us than some guild thats hardly known. we play for fun, maybe they play for plat. who knows, and who really cares? all that matters is we stay a tight ship, and uphold EW's rep at all costs.
just my couple coppers worth

Small guild renown Bonus is huge. If they are running together all the time, then it works even better for them. QE does not qualify for small guild renown, but on days when QE runs Epic Quests or almost full guild raids back to back, we have gained levels recently, I can imagine a small guild renown group who run together constantly with that bonus gaining levels fast--Look at how quickly Fight Club climbed up after Small guild renown was put in play--if Sam didn't talk so much they'd prob be at lvl 50 by now

Im actually not convinced that the "#1" guild is platfarmers--I think most of their names are normal, and I do know one person who has grouped with them in the wee wee hours. Tho, It is funny that they all wear Titan Grip Gloves or an Armor from the IQ quests.

Also, knowing where I get the most renown, is not where I make the most money makes me have doubts--in fact everything else in the chests is pretty much trash--I'm not sure that they are platfarmers in this regard. Even SHroud Elite does not seem to drop much renown lately (for me)--tho guess if they just did 1-4 over and over it would add up and they would get ingreds to sell. And if they are farming renown, there is no money in that.

And last but not least, their name also is a well known monitoring program, as well as term for monitoring..

[Tomalon]

Don't take this the wrong way, but I find it funny that this hate comes from you.

Hate??? where did you get hate from my post???? I think you are misreading or reading to much in to my post.

[Tomalon]

Small guild renown Bonus is huge. If they are running together all the time, then it works even better for them. QE does not qualify for small guild renown, but on days when QE runs Epic Quests or almost full guild raids back to back, we have gained levels recently, I can imagine a small guild renown group who run together constantly with that bonus gaining levels fast--Look at how quickly Fight Club climbed up after Small guild renown was put in play--if Sam didn't talk so much they'd prob be at lvl 50 by now

Im actually not convinced that the "#1" guild is platfarmers--I think most of their names are normal, and I do know one person who has grouped with them in the wee wee hours. Tho, It is funny that they all wear Titan Grip Gloves or an Armor from the IQ quests.

Also, knowing where I get the most renown, is not where I make the most money makes me have doubts--in fact everything else in the chests is pretty much trash--I'm not sure that they are platfarmers in this regard. Even SHroud Elite does not seem to drop much renown lately (for me)--tho guess if they just did 1-4 over and over it would add up and they would get ingreds to sell. And if they are farming renown, there is no money in that.

And last but not least, their name also is a well known monitoring program, as well as term for monitoring..

i think plat farmers have found a new thing to sell and that is a high lvl guild. i would bet that in the next 3-6 months you will be able to buy upper lvl guilds from the plat farmers.

[soupertc]

--Look at how quickly Fight Club climbed up after Small guild renown was put in play--if Sam didn't talk so much they'd prob be at lvl 50 by now

yep Small Guild Renown bonus is pretty huge. When it kicked in we were gaining 2 sometimes 3 levels a night by just farming for scrolls and seals in quest.

Hell is Sam didn't talk so much we would be 80 by now.

Like I said in another post. I really enjoy the Leaderboard now....if they are farmers or not it doesn't matter to me. Selling a high level guild isn't much diffrent than mass recruiting to get the renown to me. I know I feel sorry for all those small guilds that folded when renown was announced.

Oh and yeah I agree with OP as not to derail.