The Death of Hi Welcome

[Wizzly_Bear]

I'll stay civil.

I believe that the Turbine employee's decision to ban Hi Welcome is shortsighted and foolish. Turbine employees have every right to be shortsighted and foolish: it's Turbine's game, after all, but expressing disapproval of another person's actions is not the same as vulgarity or incivility.

I believe that the original post in the http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=268342 Hi Welcome thread held more antagonism than any of the Hi Welcome responses.

I also believe that people need an easy to recognise bad advice that comes from a lack of perspective and experience. Hi Welcome fills that need pretty well.

I further believe that Turbine's immense and continuing failures in Quality Assurance (which I blame on management policies and not on the QA staff) does a lot more to antagonize DDO's players than any Hi Welcome can.

See? We can still be civil while expressing disapproval of Turbine's policies.

My similar post was deleted, so...

/qft

[Arkat]

Nevermind.

I made a post that was supposed to be a PM.

Sorry.

[Wizzly_Bear]

Nm

I saw it, and /qft what you had.

[Visty]

I saw it, and /qft what you had.

what did he had?
PM plz

[Arkat]

I saw it, and /qft what you had.

Thanks Wizzly.

what did he had?
PM plz

It was a PM that I mistakenly put up as a post.

[Wizzly_Bear]

what did he had?
PM plz

Basically, calling out Tolero on her snipping one line out of context from his post to attack HW.

I posted something similar prior to that, but it was deleted.

[flynnjsw]

Bah NM

[Chai]

This just might be the thread of the month. Inspecting further, I am still not seeing a few things on the requirement list that would qualify it as such however...

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Good, it broke many forum rules and needed to go.

Since I can't "Hi Welcome" this disruptive and trolling comment in a thread endorsed by the mods... -rep and /reported instead

[weewoo0]

turbine's,through the cube, missed the mark here. they've banned a perfectly harmless phrase..... and had no reason to do so. they can say it was offensive all they want but lets face it... it wasn't really

[SisAmethyst]

Dunno, some years ago words like 'cool' just made our parents rise the eyebrow. A single word, which otherwise would have been totally meaningless in certain moment suddenly got an additional meaning. I guess the same goes for 'Hi Welcome' a simple Phrase, and recently even detailed explained after some people asked what is behind the meaning. Now it is forbidden to use? Not that I think I have the right feeling for it to use it in the appropriate situations anyway, but just wow. my condolence.

[Spoonwelder]

Many points

1. Isn't newb vs.noob not antagonistic?
   
2. Really - people complained about being Hi Welcomed - it's like an adult complaining about getting the middle finger from an 8 year old - you need to rise above that and ignore it.
   
3. HW was a kinder, gentler way of saying RTFM or more correctly read the darn forum history before you post. Try searching on Mounts and see what you get - a pretty big mishmash but it covers the territory well in the first 10 or so links offered. So if someone wants to suggest mounts one more time I'll scream. Forum etiquette has always in my mind been search first ask/suggest later. If someone is sooooo lazy that they can't do that then they should be able to handle a simple HW.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Sentence

Phrase

[PopeJual]

There are 2 things you will never catch me doing...

1. putting a pirate hat or top hat on a WF toon (seriously people, have you no shame?)

I like the top hat on the Warforged. I actually plan on buying one when it goes on sale for my WF Barbarian. It adds a little bit of inappropriate class.

I wouldn't buy it for any of my other characters, though. And yes, I have no shame.

[Wizzly_Bear]

What's next on the Banhammer's to do list? Shadow-humping? We've already lost *******-stomping, ******, spinning while shrining, et cetera.

[Arkat]

Basically, calling out Tolero on her snipping one line out of context from his post to attack HW.

I posted something similar prior to that, but it was deleted.

Alright I'll say it but I'll be briefer than the original post/PM.

I thought it was unfair for Tolero to pull that one sentence out of my entire post on Hi Welcome's origin to justify her stance.

That's all I wish to say about it.

[GBantaR]

My guild leader once told everyone in the guild they had to buy a top hat for their toon.

I'm sorry - my FORMER guild leader.

[PopeJual]

What's next on the Banhammer's to do list? Shadow-humping? We've already lost *******-stomping, ******, spinning while shrining, et cetera.

Don't forget ****, ****** and ********** while *** on a *****.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

If the thread isn't going to stay appropriate, then the thread doesn't get to stay open. We're trying to be as lenient as we can here, but this is a very black and white issue. The forum guidelines specifically prohibit antagonistic behavior, and this falls in that category, even by the admission of players who used the phrase:



We get a multitude of complaints about it, including from people who use the phrase themselves.

This is not behavior that is appropriate for the forums, and the guidelines are very clear that players are to treat one another respectfully and follow the guidelines.

Now if this thread can't stay civil then it will not stay open.

What are you talking about? The person you quoted were being civil, they just didn't agree with you. Is not agreeing with you automatically uncivil now?

And on the issue of complaints... I started using the stupid phrase because I noticed a pattern of newer posters who were extremely agressive and offensive and reporting them didn't seem to have any impact. You also seem to have given up on the auto moderation because people with HUGE red bars still post offensive stuff. So Hi Welcome became the new way to deal with things.

[cdbd3rd]

...... it wasn't really

Alas, irregardless our stance on it - we're allowed to congragate peacefully at the funeral here.

/Points at the burning rubble all around.

The debate houses are over there. Well, sort of over there.