Not playing the game due to raid lockouts = playing another game

[Syntax42]

HAHAHAHA. Sorry I play a lot because I am disabled, does that mean I have no life? what about spouses who stay home instead of working? House work only takes so long, so that leaves alot of time to play.

I did say "no life OUTSIDE of DDO." There is a difference between that and the insult of having "no life." There are plenty of studies, statistics, and deaths related to people playing video games for excessive periods of time. Look them up if you feel like it.

[LordRavnos]

I explained my situation in the first post. My post previous to this explains why I don't bother to run other raids for items. If I have to wait until my 20th completion to get an item, then I'm delaying my plans for TRing. All I'm asking for is more flexibility in the raiding system. It won't help anyone obtain items faster. It may help obtain items from up to TWO dungeons faster, but overall, it slows the raiding system down a little bit, at most.

you still do not seem to understand those of us with more than 1 character would get a MASSIVE boost from that. I could run shroud 4+times a day and make GS items like candy. Once everyone has every single worthwhile combo for GS items, they have to make EVERYTHING else harder to compensate for it, making anyone who does not have a ton of GS items feel useless in epic content and other raids, since they are too trivially easy otherwise. The raid lockouts as they are are fine, please stop trying to get a change that will beneift you slightly but screw the game for the rest of us.

[khaldan]

I did say "no life OUTSIDE of DDO." There is a difference between that and the insult of having "no life." There are plenty of studies, statistics, and deaths related to people playing video games for excessive periods of time. Look them up if you feel like it.

100% of people who breathe die. Plenty of studies show this.

[Visty]

I did say "no life OUTSIDE of DDO." There is a difference between that and the insult of having "no life." There are plenty of studies, statistics, and deaths related to people playing video games for excessive periods of time. Look them up if you feel like it.

to say: you have no life
is the same as to say: you have no life outside of ddo

esp when coming from a nongamer

this thread is actually a good example of where the following is really needed:
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[talyor]

Op what you are really saying if i understand correctly is that you just dont want to wait. you want your 20 shroud completions and you want them now. Dont hide it in the guise of making things better and helping everyone. in one post you say you have nothing to do but 1 hours worth every 3 days and in a later post you explain if you rotate raids you have more than enough to do. so which is it? just because there is only one raid that you want to do doesnt mean that there isnt enough to do. you just want to twink your TR sooner is all. nothing wrong with that but there is so much other great gear for your TR from most the other raids (unless you already have everything). do i think the system could be better yes so lets all think of one. when you come up with an idea just to better one raid that is not a good idea that is just being impatient.

[Angelus_dead]

That is the restrictions he has self imposed and ignored all the other stuff that he can do to improve his character.

The major advantage in profitabilty of Shroud compared to other quests and raids he could be playing is not something he created. It is a problem caused by the devs, due to the conglomeration of many specific mistakes.

For example, look at all the Epic weapons that exist in DDO: what percentage of them are better than a Greensteel Lightning Strike weapon?

Self restriction is no reason to replace a system that is working fine.

For players to improve their character so much more effectively by running Shroud than other things isn't "fine".

Quite often it turns out that time spent running more-difficult quests and raids ends up weakening your character compared to if you had spent another 2 hours sleepwalking a few alts through yet another Shroud Normal.

[weyoun]

So let me get this straight.

You put extremely narrow restrictions on yourself like "I only want to run the Shroud" and "I only want to play one character" and then you complain that the game is too restrictive?

A long time ago I thought I'd only ever have one toon. Some long time vets may argue with me but I would say that you do not know your toon well until you play other toons. Now certainly there is a diminishing margin of return. For instance, I don't really get a lot out of making my 8th healer or whatever, but I'm willing to bet that I know a lot more about melees after capping each type at least once. What I'm really trying to say is -- open your mind and your ass will follow.

[Vynnt]

The moral of the story is,

Powergamers will play only the raids they need items for, and will be able to get those items extremely quickly, then never do them again.

Casual players will suffer because certain raids will be hard to pug due to the lack of people running the raid and the lack of certain classes joining the raid (if there is no item there).

You won't be able to just play a raid for FUN, because doing so will LOCK you out of the other raids.

[Bowser_Koopa]

Syntax, I understand you want to be an evil villain by taking over the raiding system and making everyone conform to your evil ideas. That is fine everyone wants to be the King. I mean I'm the king of a whole army.

What I don't get however is your goals.

You claim you think this will help casual gamers become closer to the mad raiders. Well consider this, If I allowed Mario to hit only 2 power up blocks per day and he knew which power blocks had the chance to produce stars and/or fireflowers versus just say mushrooms or coins, which do you think he's going to hit the most? You guessed it the most powerful and desirable ones.

So if you let each character only run 2 raids per day which are they going to run? The most beneficial ones to them and now they get to 20 faster they get more chances to get the big powerful gear and now have EVEN more powerful gear than they had before.

So in conclusion I Bowser King of the Koopa's say this. While your evil scheme may of looked good on the drawing board, in practice your just further defeating your goals of slowing down the uber's and giving them more power to lord over you.

Thank you for your time,

Bowser King of all that is Koopa

[Fomori]

What is the difference between running for 60 days to get a 20th completion for up to ten raids or running two raids per day for 60 days to get a 20th completion for up to six raids? The proposed system limits power gamers slightly, no matter how you look at it. It doesn't matter if they get their completions for a single raid over a period of 20 days or 60; they are still getting 20 completions for six raids in 60 days.

The argument that people will move on and not do a certain raid is invalid. People do a raid to get an item. If it takes them 20 completions, then they run it 20 times. There won't be more or less of any raids run just because someone gets their 20th for one raid in less time.

If people are only running six raids, then this doesn't really restrict power gamers. If people are running all ten raids, then restricting power gamers only keeps them playing longer. The difference between playing for 4 hours per day or 10 is a life outside of DDO. The difference between playing 4 hours per day or none on 2 out of 3 days is a lost subscription.

I love clarification through obfuscation.

Your big finale argument is that over the course of 60 days, a absolute maxed power gamer constantly doing every game raid (the 9 of them) will be running 120 vs 180 raids. That is a difference of 60 raids, or 1 per day. 1 per day is not much of a power gamer restriction especially when the people that do that are what 1% of the playerbase at the most...

[Bilger]

Do you really think the majority of players have more than 2 characters and more than 6 hours per day to play? Most people have less than 4 hours per day to play. My suggestion would allow the real majority to play the raids they want instead of running things they don't want or not playing the game at all.

How many characters do you have? How many raids do you really run?

Read my sig that is most my capped and have a few more that haven't added.

I run raids whenever I can to keep counters going on the ones who need items in that raid and move on to next. I also run to get counters up to get those nice +3 tomes and run multiple raids on multiple toons a day when off work.

Most my guys get what they need from raids with in th first 10 runs or so geuss I am lucky so far. I have had a few that took 20-40 to get what wanted but thats a few.

Most the people I know have more than 4 characters and run continually and play multiple hours.

Just because you restrict your time doesn't meen you are in the majority.

The majority is prob in the middle between us I have 15+ Capped characters between 2 accts so with what you want I would get my stuff faster and screw everyone else I would choose the 2 raids I need and not help anyone cause it screws me out of my 2 raid nty I like to help my friends even if don't need that raid.

Seriously a bad idea and like what we have

[GreyFalcon70]

I did say "no life OUTSIDE of DDO." There is a difference between that and the insult of having "no life." There are plenty of studies, statistics, and deaths related to people playing video games for excessive periods of time. Look them up if you feel like it.

Now thats just splitting hairs. And a bit condescending.

[Lorz]

After seeing the drop rates on raid items, I have given up hope of obtaining an item I need except for on my 20th completion. I have seen Tharne's Goggles in the chest once in my ten completions of VoD. Competing with up to 80 other people (8 melees X 10 runs) for one item is horrible odds.

Man you reasoning skills are gimp. Let me suggest you look at it this way. 8 melees....x 1 run...1/8 chance if a pair drops....and while it may not be in your name....realize some people already have them so most likely is better than 1 in 8 odds.

It is not 1 in 80.

And every time you log out rather than go run that Hound (when on timer for shroud) you could be taking another shot at those items. It doesnt take long to get them...a few months.....your join date and your attitude are in extreme opposition to each other....VETS do not sit around and complain that its gonna take a few months to get something they want.....weve been here for years....so months are childs play.

Really...you just want an easy button. I say /not signed /no

[davidcampa]

I have done epic quests. I was not pleased with the frustration involved. Maybe my build isn't set up right for epic content. Maybe epic is too difficult for most PUGs I've been in. Either way, I'm not running it again until after I TR.

I have 2 Toons That run EPIC all the Time and both only Wear 1 Shroud Item Each,and would feel confident going in without them as well.

There is great gear in the other raids that should accomadate all builds.

Remember we all started running EPIC without epic gear.

[weyoun]

Man you reasoning skills are gimp. Let me suggest you look at it this way. 8 melees....x 1 run...1/8 chance if a pair drops....and while it may not be in your name....realize some people already have them so most likely is better than 1 in 8 odds.

It is not 1 in 80.

And every time you log out rather than go run that Hound (when on timer for shroud) you could be taking another shot at those items. It doesnt take long to get them...a few months.....your join date and your attitude are in extreme opposition to each other....VETS do not sit around and complain that its gonna take a few months to get something they want.....weve been here for years....so months are childs play.

Really...you just want an easy button. I say /not signed /no

+1
And this is why the vets grind, and the noobs complain.

[Fomori]

I explained my situation in the first post. My post previous to this explains why I don't bother to run other raids for items. If I have to wait until my 20th completion to get an item, then I'm delaying my plans for TRing. All I'm asking for is more flexibility in the raiding system. It won't help anyone obtain items faster. It may help obtain items from up to TWO dungeons faster, but overall, it slows the raiding system down a little bit, at most.

You said you only run the shroud and talked about 20 completions for a specific item, which can only mean the cleanser.

So let me get this straight...

You want to TR, but you wont because you want the cleanser specifically so that at level 13 you can wear a second greensteel item... and you think that it is going to magically make your playing experience that much more fun?

So the whole premise of making a massive game changing raid change is because YOU want to power your way through the last half of a TR?

[Fourfingers]

I am just trying to explain that a change in the raid lockout system is needed in order to keep ME playing DDO and not some other game.

Fixed that for ya bud.

I read most of your posts and it seems like most people here disagree with your suggestion. I think that by playing your ONE toon, you are missing out on a ton of content. There are other races and classes to play to make this game take on whole new aspects of fun. You are the one limiting yourself. Try adjusting your gameplay to the way the game is designed and I think you'll find yourself playing more than one hour every three days.

Otherwise, add me to the list of people who read your suggestion and disagree.

/not signed.

[BlackSteel]

the OP probably isnt alone in this regard (not the disinterest, but as a new player at cap, and only interested in the shroud)

its a shame that a raid so old, with such outdated equipment, is still the premier quest in the game. Not to mention the fact that its now farmed by lvl 20s ad nauseum, when near the end of mod 6, and in mod 7, people started flagging and running the raid at lvl 12.

maybe this is why epics have been dumbed down so much since original release; so that more players can be capable of running it once hitting 20. Good for them, bad for any veteran that can run it again with their eyes closed.

[Bilger]

The major advantage in profitabilty of Shroud compared to other quests and raids he could be playing is not something he created. It is a problem caused by the devs, due to the conglomeration of many specific mistakes.

For example, look at all the Epic weapons that exist in DDO: what percentage of them are better than a Greensteel Lightning Strike weapon?


For players to improve their character so much more effectively by running Shroud than other things isn't "fine".

Quite often it turns out that time spent running more-difficult quests and raids ends up weakening your character compared to if you had spent another 2 hours sleepwalking a few alts through yet another Shroud Normal.

So sense he restricts himself to 1 char and can only run it 1 time in 3 days it is flawed.

Raids are meant to drop items that are hard to come by.

If he wants more ingred and such get more characters to farm for them but he has self restricted himself and so has done it to himself.

Yes it is fine and is meant that way it is the largest grind in the game to get what you need and want(with some epic acceptions). That is the point of most MMO's get your characters to the best that ya can.

What he wants is instant gratification and is not good for any game.

[Junts]

This is not a rant post. I am just trying to explain that a change in the raid lockout system is needed in order to keep customers playing DDO and not some other game.

Right now, I do Shroud every three days. I want to TR my Monk, but not until after I reach 21 completions for Shroud so I can wear nice gear after I TR. I am not too concerned with other raid loot because most of it requires level 18+ to use. Alternate characters are not my style. This game requires a lot of dedication to one character, and TRing doesn't provide benefits to more than one character.

Basically, I am only playing the game for one hour every three days. This leaves me with a lot of free time to look at and play other games. If there were any other good MMOs to draw my attention, I would probably stop playing DDO. Fortunately for Turbine, there are no new MMOs due out in the next six months or so, and current MMOs have stale development or don't interest me. Don't get too complacent, though, because I am looking at City of Heroes with their new expansion due out next week.

I'm sure I can't be the only one in this situation. DDO attracts people who aren't dedicated to Dungeons & Dragons; I never played pen and paper DnD. I only kept playing DDO at end-game because the raiding is better than every other MMO. It can be and is frequently done with pick-up-groups instead of requiring extremely organized guilds for everything. Sure, some raids have difficult prerequisites, but once those are out of the way, doing the raid is nowhere near the frustration of World of Warcraft raids.

There must be others like me who don't play the game at all between the raid timers for the few raids they are interested in for specific items.


My suggestion:
Make a universal raid lockout timer that allows a character to do two DIFFERENT raids per day. One raid per day equates to around 1 hour of playing the game. Two raids is more reasonable and allows a person to play 2 to 3 hours per day, depending on the raids they choose to do. Currently, there are ten raids run by level 20s on a regular basis. With the current 3-day lockout, that equates to running 3.3 raids per day, which makes a universal 2-raids-per-day system more reasonable. Also, the lockout time between raiding should be around 12 hours to account for different play times during the day and the increased time it may take to do two raids instead of one.


To summarize, raid lockout timers force players to not play DDO. If you don't want people to get attracted to another game and stop paying for DDO, keep them playing as much as possible. A change in the way raid lockout timers works would help keep players in DDO while keeping them from completing their objectives too fast and getting bored with the game.


Edit: The majority of the people replying to this don't seem to like my proposal. They seem to be powergamers who have many characters and desire loot from many different raids at a time. My proposal wouldn't restrict those people as much as they claim. They would still be able to play 10 hours a day if they wanted to gear up 5 different characters. This system would greatly assist casual gamers who have time to run only 1-2 raids per day and only desire loot from a couple raids.

You need to look at raid loot min levels again, almost all raid loot is between ml 9 and ml 14.

Also, you oculd be doing epic quests for tokens so you cuold tr without paying turbine your money.

Your proposal makes it nearly impossible to keep all your characters on timer for every relevant raid.