barb/rogue

**DragonTroy** · 08-11-2010, 06:49 PM

could some1 please give me a good barb/rogue build? ive always loved playin as melee classes, but the ppl i play with now and i all agree we NEED a rogue. so, could any1 do me a big favor and gimme 1 if 1 exists? preferably without tumble, i dont use it

**DragonTroy** · 08-11-2010, 07:07 PM

o, also, id prefer to be more barbarian than rogue. but not 2 big a worry

**Syntax42** · 08-12-2010, 09:13 AM

Barbarians are best if left pure. Mighty rage and the capstone add +4 strength. Your dex and int won't be high enough without sacrificing con and str.

Someone else in your party should have planned on rogue levels. Wizards make a better choice to multiclass rogue because they have high int. They lose the capstone, but they gain a useful evasion with insightful reflexes. There are a few other good combinations that work well for multiclassing rogue, but none with very high barbarian levels.

Rogues become less important after level 12 or so, when you get into Gianthold, Vale, and end-game raids. Gianthold has two quests with traps. One quest can be skipped. The other can be done by any evasion character. Vale doesn't have any quests with party-threatening traps, as long as your party doesn't walk into them. The traps are fairly obvious and easy to walk around or wait for them to turn off. End-game raiding has fewer traps and you can depend on other rogues to take care of them.

**eulogy098** · 08-12-2010, 10:07 AM

Worst of all for a Rogue/Barb mix is that you can not disable traps while Raged, and a proper barbarian is always raged. So that means dismissing your rage every time a traps is ahead, or not raging to begin with... either way your are sacrificing more than is worth. But, if you insist on Ro/Barb than you will do it regardless of my advice. And if that's so you may as well have the best chance you can- so here's a build

This build REQUIRES a +2 Dex tome and +2 INT tome at level 7. about 2 million gold investment, not too bad at all.

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Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Male
(18 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 410
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 13
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    25
Dexterity            15                    18
Constitution         14                    20
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma              6                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    12
Bluff                -2                    -1
Concentration         2                     5
Diplomacy            -2                    -1
Disable Device        5                    26
Haggle                2                     3
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  2                     4
Intimidate           -2                    -1
Jump                  8                    11
Listen               -1                     0
Move Silently         2                     4
Open Lock             6                    12
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                5                    28
Spot                  3                     4
Swim                  4                     7
Tumble                6                     8
Use Magic Device      2                    22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Barbarian)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Barbarian)


Level 5 (Barbarian)


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 7 (Barbarian)


Level 8 (Barbarian)


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Barbarian)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Barbarian)


Level 14 (Barbarian)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Barbarian)


Level 17 (Barbarian)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker III
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II

TWF because you are going to have dex. You are going to have dex because you have evasion and may as well have good reflex. 18 Barb because Frenzy3 is a must-have or you may as well not be barb at all. 2 Rogue because you said you wanted to do traps, and because you wont be pure you may as well have evasion. Dwarf because if you are TWF you may as well use one of the best 1hand weapons in the game (dwarf axes) and not have to use a feat on it. And dwarf spell resists goes nicely with evasion.

Keep in mind, i do not recommend the play style, but if you insist on it- i think this is your best bet.

**Kriogen** · 08-12-2010, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by DragonTroy

could some1 please give me a good barb/rogue build? ive always loved playin as melee classes, but the ppl i play with now and i all agree we NEED a rogue. so, could any1 do me a big favor and gimme 1 if 1 exists? preferably without tumble, i dont use it

Roll a Ranger/Rogue hybrid? Search for 'exploiter' build.

Rogue *is* a melee class. It's primary hard hitting warrior.

The way things are in DDO any class can be made 'melee'. Some better the others, but all can be good melee fighters.

Those traps and lock are 'secondary' job. More like a hobby. Anyone with a small splash of rogue can do it. But because traps/locks need lots of skill point, its the easiest for Rogue, Ranger/Rogue, Bard/Rogue or Wizard/Rogue.

I'd made a hard hitting melee oriented Rogue or Ranger/Rogue.

**jwdaniels** · 08-12-2010, 01:18 PM

I'm playing a barb/rog now and having a blast. I'm heading toward barb 14/ rog 5/ fighter 1 (I wanted ITHF at level 7). Rogue 1, followed by 5 levels of barb, 1 level of figheter, 1 level of barb, rogue at 9, then barb at 10 to get where I am now.

I use THF, kept dex relatively low so I could start with a 14 int to have enough skill points to keep all the needed rogue skills high - I also went human for the extra skill point.

It's a fun character that is by no means an optimized barb build, but more than holds his own in combat and can do everything you'd expect a rogue to do. I'd link the build, but I didn't use one of those fancy character builder utilities and the excel sheet I originally put together is now cluttered with notes and changes that I've made.

Basically, you max UMD at each level and then focus on spot, search, OL, and DD and sprinkle the rogue levels in as needed to max those skills. I also take intimidate in case I need to tank at all. It's a pretty versatile and fun mix, can solo well, and always contributes something based on what the group needs most.

PM me if you'd like more detail.

**Consumer** · 08-12-2010, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by jwdaniels

barb 14/ rog 5/ fighter 1

Kill it with fire

Eulogy098's build is good stick with that. I would change the build to a WF Khopesh user but its all a matter of preference.

**unbongwah** · 08-12-2010, 01:55 PM

Since you didn't mention build pts etc. here are two human rogue 2 / barb 18 builds: one's a 28-pt THF w/out tomes; the other is a 32-pt TWF who needs a +2 DEX tome. [Skills & enhs are identical, so I only showed stats & feats on the latter.] Both have max ranks of Disable, Search, and UMD; and 11 ranks of Open Lock. Should be enough to handle any trap or lock with the right equipment & buffs. Only downside is Spot score sucks, unfortunately.

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Level 20 True Neutral Human Female
(18 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 370
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 10
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    22
Dexterity            12                    12
Constitution         16                    16
Intelligence         12                    12
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               5                     5
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         3                     3
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        5                    24
Haggle                3                     3
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  1                     1
Intimidate            3                     3
Jump                  7                    10
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         1                     1
Open Lock             5                    12
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     1
Search                5                    24
Spot                  3                     3
Swim                  3                     6
Tumble                5                     5
Use Magic Device      3                    22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 5 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 7 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+7)


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 19 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction I
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker III
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Barbarian Item Defense I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Trap Sense I

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Level 20 True Neutral Human Female
(18 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 370
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 13
Will: 5

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 21                   22
Dexterity            15                 17                   18
Constitution         16                 16                   16
Intelligence         12                 12                   12
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma              8                  8                    8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Barbarian)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Barbarian)


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 7 (Barbarian)


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Barbarian)


Level 11 (Barbarian)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Barbarian)


Level 14 (Barbarian)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Barbarian)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR

If you don't care about Evasion, consider rogue 1 / ftr 1 / barb 18 for the extra feat; use it to grab ITHF/ITWF sooner. EDIT: dwarf or WF are also options; 1 less feat and need INT 14 to keep the same skill levels, but higher CON and DPS.

**supp3nhuhn** · 08-12-2010, 02:36 PM

Here's pretty much the char i play at the moment:

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Level 20 Neutral Good Human Female
(18 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 380
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 13
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    22
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         16                    19
Intelligence         16                    18
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             10                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                     3
Bluff                 0                     0
Concentration         3                     4
Diplomacy             0                     0
Disable Device        7                    27
Haggle                4                     4
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  3                     3
Intimidate            4                    23
Jump                  7                    10
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         3                     3
Open Lock             3                    10
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                3                     4
Search                7                    28
Spot                  3                    22
Swim                  3                     6
Tumble                3                     3
Use Magic Device      4                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Barbarian)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 4 (Barbarian)


Level 5 (Barbarian)


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Barbarian)


Level 8 (Rogue)


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Barbarian)


Level 11 (Barbarian)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes


Level 13 (Barbarian)


Level 14 (Barbarian)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Barbarian)


Level 17 (Barbarian)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Intimidation
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker III
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Rogue Spot I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution II
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Trap Sense II

Has full trapskills and half assed ol (so far didn't come across a lock i couldn't pick).
Full HV to get a +5 skills boost.
Very nice trap saves.
Haste boost to make up for a part of the lost strength.

Imo barbarian rogue is quite a decent combination, because you get the same trap saves that rogues get and you only loose a small amount of strength for it which barbs have plenty of.

Actually i think those two lost levels are less detrimental to your barb performance then the ones a wizard looses.

**DragonTroy** · 08-12-2010, 04:06 PM

wow, thanks. i wish i didnt get impatient and actually make my own build. so, here it is, i made it so he could be able to find and get rid of the traps, but can also do more than hold his own in combat. admittedly, the rage will be a problem, so feel to critique. tell me where i can improve it. also, no more tome mentioning, pls

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Xandak Tyrantfeller
Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Male
(18 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 360
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 9
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    20
Dexterity            10                    10
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         16                    17
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                     4
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        7                    19
Haggle                3                     3
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  4                    15
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  7                     9
Listen                3                    21
Move Silently         4                    15
Open Lock             4                    16
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                3                     3
Search                7                    19
Spot                  3                    15
Swim                  7                     9
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      3                    12

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Swim (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 5 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 7 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 8 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 11 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 14 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 17 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical


Level 19 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction I
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Rogue Spot I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness III
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Trap Sense II
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Trap Sense III
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Trap Sense IV

**unbongwah** · 08-12-2010, 06:24 PM

My view is you're spreading yourself too thin. If you really want that many skills, a rogue-splashed ranger would do better. Otherwise, drop Hide, Listen, and MS so you can focus your skill pts on Search, Disable, and UMD, with leftovers into Spot & OL. I also think INT 16 is overkill; rogue skills aren't important enough to gimp the rest of your stats, IMHO.

**DragonTroy** · 08-13-2010, 02:48 AM

ok, im deffinatly going to re-roll this build, but one question. i may sound like a noob b/c of this, but y is UMD so important? ive never really understood its use

**Consumer** · 08-13-2010, 03:27 AM

It essentially means you have infinite HP as you can carry large amounts of scrolls for healing around with you.

**DragonTroy** · 08-13-2010, 07:24 AM

o, so with a high umd i could heal myself with scrolls. but y cant i just use potions?

**Lorien_the_First_One** · 08-13-2010, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by DragonTroy

o, so with a high umd i could heal myself with scrolls. but y cant i just use potions?

Pots heal for 20hp. By high level as a barb you will have 600-1000 (build dependant).

How many pots do you want to drink? Heal scrolls work much better.

You will also be able to use resist wants, greater restoration scrolls, teleport scrolls, raise dead scrolls, equip race restricted items, and all other sorts of fun stuff.

**DragonTroy** · 08-13-2010, 08:35 AM

they dont have a higher level potion?
and also, if u seriously kno of a build that gives 1000 hp id really like that.
and 1 more thing, i kno its off topic mostly, but do any of u kno a good clogue(cleric/rogue) build

**Consumer** · 08-13-2010, 08:48 AM

Barbs can almost reach 1.3k HP if specced for it. You would have to sacrifice str from level ups but its possible.

Con

20 Base
5 level ups
7 Item
4 Tome
3 Exceptional
2 FB tod set
2 Barb
2 Warforged
8 Rage
3 Hardy Rage
2 Rage
4 Madstone
2 Yugoloth
4 Double Madstone
= 66 con

HP

240 Barb
20 Heroic Durability
10 Draconic Vitality
20 Toughness
40 Superior False Life
45 Greensteel
560 con
22 Toughness Feat *4 = 88
80 Toughness AP
20 Yugoloth
= 1133 HP
30 = 3 Barb past lives
20 = Barb past life rage
= 1183 HP
20 store pot
30 alchemical
= 1233 HP
50 reaver charge
=1288 HP

I'm pretty sure you could fit in the whole FB line and reach that much HP, not gonna check the AP costs though.

**unbongwah** · 08-13-2010, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by DragonTroy

i may sound like a noob b/c of this, but y is UMD so important? ive never really understood its use

UMD lets you bypass race & alignment restrictions on equipment (thus giving you more options on what gear you can use) and lets you use wands & scrolls once it's high enough. The emphasis is usually on Heal scrolls (reqs. UMD 42 IIRC), but there are plenty of other good buffs etc. to be had. It takes a while to pay off (doesn't start to become useful until you hit UMD 14 I think) and takes some effort to get the gear to boost your skill, but it's worth it in the long run, especially on a rogue-splashed build.

Anyway, if you want some extra skill pts, take one of my builds and make it INT 14 CON 15; put the extra pts into Open Lock and/or Spot; use barb enhs to even out your CON score. If that's still not enough, grab a +2 INT tome and take it ASAP (min lvl 7) for more. But I wouldn't push your base INT any higher than 14; Spot & Open Lock are nice, but it's not essential for them to be maxed out on a trapmonkey like DD & Search are.

**DragonTroy** · 08-13-2010, 04:46 PM

ive reworked the build, especially the skills. so, again, please tell me where ive have gone wrong

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Tyrantfeller 2.0
Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Male
(18 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 360
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 10
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    20
Dexterity            12                    12
Constitution         15                    15
Intelligence         14                    15
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               5                     5
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        6                    26
Haggle                3                     3
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  1                     1
Intimidate            3                     3
Jump                  7                     9
Listen                3                     3
Move Silently         1                     1
Open Lock             5                    14.5
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                6                    26
Spot                  3                    12.5
Swim                  7                     9
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      3                    22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Barbarian)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Barbarian)


Level 5 (Barbarian)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 7 (Barbarian)


Level 8 (Barbarian)


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Barbarian)


Level 11 (Barbarian)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Barbarian)


Level 14 (Barbarian)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Barbarian)


Level 17 (Barbarian)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction I
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Rogue Spot I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness III
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Trap Sense II
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Trap Sense III
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Trap Sense IV

**unbongwah** · 08-13-2010, 05:13 PM

You appear to have put a lvl-up pt in INT - don't bother. STR all the way! Use barb Con enh to get +1 CON and Human Adaptability to get +1 STR so final stats are 22 / 12 / 16 / 14 / 8 / 8.

Half-ranks in skills do nothing; so round either up or down on OL & Spot.

Drop WF Slash & Power Crit; they're practically useless. Take Imp Crit Slash and something else; Stunning Blow or Skill Focus UMD are good options, IMHO.

I would drop the rogue skill enhs; you don't need the extra +1s and Versatility provides a more cost-effective short-term boost when it's needed. I would probably drop 1 or more of the Imp Trap Sense enhs too. Take the aforementioned stat enhs, plus Hardy Rage II. And I would definitely take some Imp Recovery; it's one of human's best advantages IMHO.

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