hi guys! my point its aways do a character who can handle himself. offcourse, who adds alot in party, but can do almost everything, and does good.
so, let me explain, and make a picture of this:
A guy who gives alot damage, nice AC, high saves, alot hp, hitting hard and tanking, with very nice buffs like displacement, haste, blur, heroism, death aura, fire shield, and the best, doing all this inside a maximized, empowered FW???
check the build well, and think about it:
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Level 20 Lawful Good Human
(6 Paladin / 14 Sorcerer)
Hit Points: 268
Spell Points: 1322
BAB: 13/13/18/23
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 15
Will: 16
Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 22
Dexterity 14 16
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 8 8
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 14 18
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LVL2 PALADA +1 CHA
LVL6PALADA +1 CHA
LVL10SORCERER +1 CHA
LVL4 +1STR
LVL8 +1STR
LVL12 +1 DEX
LVL16 +1 STR
LVL20 +1STR
LVL5HUMAN +1CON
LVL13HUMAN +1STR
Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used
+1 Tome of Charisma used
+1 Tome of Streght used
+1 Tome of Constitution used
Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 2 3
Bluff 2 4
Concentration 6 21
Diplomacy 6 14
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 2 4
Heal -1 -1
Hide 2 3
Intimidate 2 4
Jump 3 16
Listen -1 -1
Move Silently 2 3
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 -1
Search -1 -1
Spot -1 -1
Swim 3 5
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device n/a n/a
Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Level 2 (Paladin)
Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Level 4 (Paladin)
Level 5 (Paladin)
Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Level 7 (Sorcerer)
Level 8 (Sorcerer)
Level 9 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
(only for a high duration buffs. At high lvls can be swapped, i suggest u swap for maximize at lvl 14, and take GTHF at 15, then at 18, ur choice)
Level 10 (Sorcerer)
Level 11 (Sorcerer)
Level 12 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Level 13 (Sorcerer)
Level 14 (Sorcerer)
Level 15 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Level 16 (Sorcerer)
Level 17 (Sorcerer)
Level 18 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Level 19 (Sorcerer)
Level 20 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Paladin Item Defense I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhanccement: Paladin Extra Remove Disease I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded IV
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Light I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning I
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okie, some more explanations:
the build really starts to work at pally6/sor 8, thats when u reach the maximum pottential. offcourse, before it, u stills a good fighter, like a good pure pally. undeads will be kicked out. next, with the sor lvls, u still beeing a good fighter/tank and with some buffs to help, after that, only hapiness.
atm, i m lvl 11 with this build pally6/sor5, with the proper lvl equipment, looks to it:
stats 23/20*tome +2 instead+1 used/20/8/12/20
HP238+14 temp from virtue everytime
SP687
AC 34 with shield spell extended (10min)
attack +16 (with power attack) greataxe+5+etc (dmg 1d12+24)
saves 22/18/18
some buffs and usefull spells:
expedition retreat
knock
jump
detect secret doors
blur
cure light wounds(from pally)
healing hands 2x day healing 88
maybe the biggest problem is u gonna run low mana very fast. but u have to play with wisdom.
Its very important to hav a good equipament.
i m using a +3 mithral twilight chain shirt (armor bonus 7, max dex 6, no arcane fail)
i dont suggest a sword/sheild style, since u can have shield spell for +4 AC with no failure, using a thw for more dmg.
remember u can have wands for the spells u cant have on ur list.
choose spells with no save allowed, or buffs, and even with save allowed, u have to take good fire/ice dmg spells.
cone of cold, FW offcourse and even fireball. resistances, and usefull spells will allow u to do alot more.
and spells that causes dmg when they hit u, would be nice too.
anyway, thats all folks!
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08-10-2010, 12:44 PM #1Community Member
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A complete DPS/Tanker/buffer and self healer! check if u like it.
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Race: This works much better on a WF
Class: Consider Sorc12 instead of 14, and adding Monk2
AC: If you can't self-buff into the 60s, I wouldn't bother with Armor Class. Even then, it's only situationally useful. DR is a better defense most of the time.
Check out the Capricious link in my sig - that's my WF version of this build.
Personally, I have more fun with the 17/2/1 Wiz/Rog/Barb build."I require a reminder as to why raining arcane destruction is not an appropriate response to all of life's indignities" - Vaarsuvius, OoTS #674
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**I moved this to the top of my post b/c it's more important than what I had to say about the build specs**
I introduce you into a REAL build, that achieves what you tried to do, but fell short a bit (no offense).
DPS, casting, self-preservation buffs, saves and HIT POINTS
Tukaw and Tukaw 2.0
***by the way***
take my comments with a grain of salt; I'm blunt about what I have to say. Nothing I said was an effort at demeaning your build
Originally Posted by darkkjean
Last edited by Asketes; 08-10-2010 at 01:22 PM.
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08-10-2010, 01:42 PM #4Community Member
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well. i gave u the pure stats. with no itens. many ppl makes a build based on tomes and itens (even tomes +5, thing i never saw in game). i m reallistic.
i didt dded the temp hit points or hp from itens or spells. only pure.
same for saves. theres no itens, buffs and EVEN NO CARISMA (pure: base+ att. base)
i made a build for everybody even for who plays always free or not have achivied favor to make a 32pts or buy a warforged.
i didt even used tomes +2 on the main build screen, considering a build for even who is starting to play, with no money can afford.
no unique or epic itens.
anyway, i gave the pure build, tomes, itens is with U.
(and note that at ending explanation, i told that atm at lvl 11 already hav 238 hp without virtue, false life or buffs)
sure ur builds looks alot more planty then mine. but look at it:
from capricious:
"Head: Minos Legen
Necklace: Torc
Trinket: Bloodstone/Head of Good Fortune/Mummified Bat
Cloak: GS Cloak (Wiz VI/Spell Power/Improved Spell Power: Wisdom+6 & Conc Opp)
Belt: Belt of the Defender of Siberys(Con +6, GFL)
Ring1: Warchanter's Band (Chr + 6, Excp Str +1, Excp Chr +2)
Ring2: Band of Siberys (Str +6, Defender of Siberys, Excp Chr +1, Excp Str +2)
Gloves: Spectral Gloves/7-Finger Gloves
Boots: Boots of the Innocent/Hobnail Boots/Spiked Boots
Bracers: Open slot since Conc Opps don't stack on accessories
Armor: Docent of Defiance
Goggles: Tharne's Goggles"
from tukaw
"STR: 16 +1LVL +3Tome +1Litany +6Item +3Ring + 2Rage +6Glove = 38 STR
DEX: 9 +2Tome +1Litany +0Item = 12 DEX
Con: 18 +4Tome +1Litany +6item +3Ring + 2Rage = 34 CON
INT: 9 +3Tome +1Litany +0Item = 13 INT
WIS : 6 +2Tome +1Litany +6Item = 15 WIS
CHA : 14 +4LVL +3Tome +1Litany +6Item +2Enh = 30CHA"
look the itens, uniques, tomes...
as i already told, i gave the build how u improve with the itens its another thing...
and if someone can do it, we gladly accept a gear suggestion for the final sts base.
okie, still looking for a hire hand, a suggested spell list for newbies who wants to try this build.
Level 1 (Paladin)
Level 2 (Paladin)
Level 3 (Paladin)
Level 4 (Paladin)
Spell (1): Bless
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Spell (1): Lesser Restoration
Spell (1): Lionheart
Spell (1): Protection From Evil
Spell (1): Resistance
Spell (1): Seek Eternal Rest
Spell (1): Virtue
Level 5 (Paladin)
Level 6 (Paladin)
Level 7 (Sorcerer)
Spell (1): Detect Secret Doors
Spell (1): Expeditious Retreat
Level 8 (Sorcerer)
Spell (1): Jump
Level 9 (Sorcerer)
Spell (1): Shield
Level 10 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Knock
Level 11 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Blur
Level 12 (Sorcerer)
Spell (3): Haste
Level 13 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): Scorching Ray
Spell (3): Fireball
Level 14 (Sorcerer)
Spell (4): Wall of Fire
Level 15 (Sorcerer)
Spell (2): False Life
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (4): Stoneskin
Level 16 (Sorcerer)
Spell (5): Cone of Cold
Level 17 (Sorcerer)
Spell (3): Frost Lance
Spell (4): Death Aura
Spell (5): Protection From Elements
Level 18 (Sorcerer)
Spell (6): Greater Heroism
Level 19 (Sorcerer)
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Spell (5): Cloudkill
Spell (6): Tenser's Transformation
Level 20 (Sorcerer)
Spell (7): Greater Teleport
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08-10-2010, 01:51 PM #5Community Member
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Actually, Capricious doesn't have all of those items - they're goals that he's shooting for. Originally Posted by darkkjean
It's a good idea to plan out your ideal gear selection, to avoid grinding for something that will need to be thrown away later. For example, my first Wiz has a surplus of Tier 2 Shroud items because he kept finding gear that he didn't know about. The Definitive Static Rewards and Unique Loot Thread #1 thread is an excellant resource for planning out your items.
The reason I pointed you to Capricious was not to try to show off his gear, though, but rather to illustrate the points I had made earlier.
1. WF for self-healing
2. Evasion
3. Order of leveling
4. Selected Feats
5. Skill point allocation
6. Etc...Last edited by Phidius; 08-10-2010 at 02:00 PM.
"I require a reminder as to why raining arcane destruction is not an appropriate response to all of life's indignities" - Vaarsuvius, OoTS #674
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08-10-2010, 02:06 PM #6Community Member
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ya, ya. i apreciatte dude. i actually was refering to the other guy, who complains about the saves/stats.. i was just showinh, that i gave the pure build, with no itens/tomes. i know the WF would be nice for self heal, with the repair spells, but i made a totally f2p build, basic race, 28pts build. Originally Posted by Phidius
but WF its a good addition for who plains and HAVE acess to it.
i just dont understend why 2 monk lvls....
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08-10-2010, 02:11 PM #7Community Member
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If you don't go WF, you need to invest in UMD. Cure Serious Wands and Lay on Hands works great in the low and mid levels, but isn't even close to being acceptable in the end. Originally Posted by darkkjean
Monk2 gives you...
1. Evasion
2. Balance as a class skill & extra skill points
3. Evasion
4. 2 free feats which this build can use
5. Better base saves
6. Evasion
7. Situationally useful stances to bump stats (Str in particular)
8. Evasion
9. Unarmed combat animation for fun
10. Evasion
Having a high reflex save and Evasion is very, very tasty."I require a reminder as to why raining arcane destruction is not an appropriate response to all of life's indignities" - Vaarsuvius, OoTS #674
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I'm not complaining, or even trying to be rude. Pointing out critical flaws.
I like that you are trying to make a f2p build, but I think some changes are in order to make it have more synergy with the idea of melee and surivability.
One of the things that points out the most is your hitpoint count; will you be able to sit at least around 550+ at cap? End game stuff hits for a ton, if you are a melee, you're going to need to sit above 500 hitpoints.
Originally Posted by darkkjean
Originally Posted by darkkjean
overall, You are on the right track, but you need to overcome some critical flaws in your build. As long as you aren't getting mad and defensive, the forumites here will chat with you. Discussing ideas, sometimes bad or good.. and you decide in the end what you like(Perma) - Khyber - Official Helpers Guild Noob
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08-10-2010, 03:48 PM #9Community Member
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ya, i dont mean to be rude. if looks like that, blme my english, who is not that good, sometimes i have some troubles to express myself.
alot things discussed here are very usefull, but others should be reconsidered, like what i mean about itens, or uniques, i dont mean u dont gonna use them, but who makes the build hav to choose, inside ur own tates or "money in pocket".
what i mean, u guys, who understend about this builds, use the same gear set in this build, and check it.
i can get almost the same stats u got
STR: 16 +1LVL +3Tome +1Litany +6Item +3Ring + 2Rage +6Glove = 38 STR
DEX: 9 +2Tome +1Litany +0Item = 12 DEX
Con: 18 +4Tome +1Litany +6item +3Ring + 2Rage = 34 CON
INT: 9 +3Tome +1Litany +0Item = 13 INT
WIS : 6 +2Tome +1Litany +6Item = 15 WIS
CHA : 14 +4LVL +3Tome +1Litany +6Item +2Enh = 30CHA
i can reach
(final stats without tomes+1)
STR: 21 +3Tome +1Litany +6Item +3Ring + 2Rage +6Glove = 42 STR
DEX: 15 +2Tome +1Litany +6Item = 24 DEX
Con: 15 +4Tome +1Litany +6item +3Ring + 2Rage = 31 CON
INT: 8 +3Tome +1Litany +0Item = 12 INT
WIS : 8 +2Tome +1Litany +6Item = 17 WIS
CHA : 17 +3Tome +1Litany +6Item = 27CHA
about saves:
29/23/24 (only att.+base+cha, no itens/buff yes)
38/32/33 (+5item +4GH, no buffs)
Hit Points: 473= 60(Pal) + 56(Sorc) + 20(Heroic) + 200(Con) + 20(Minos) + 22(Toughness) + 45(Bracers) + 50(AP)
there other itens i didt listed.
well. its just for check. what i mean, even agreeding that WF would be nicier, this build plenty works.
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oh, about spells, expeditious retreat will be nice until get haste, and can give alot more time of running speed costing less sp.
the pally spell, are all in the list. theres some useless spells, like the lion heart, but pally know all, just memorize what u choose better. same for cure light wounds.
displacement, and stoneskin will help alot to preserve ur HP.
tenser transformation will give u full BAB like a fighter.
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08-10-2010, 04:00 PM #11
At the cost of not being able to cast spells. Not bad for when you are tapped. Not certain if it would effect UMD or not. Originally Posted by darkkjean
I'd rather carry scrolls of it than take it as a spell.
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08-10-2010, 04:03 PM #12Community Member
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Originally Posted by darkkjean
ya, i dont mean to be rude. if looks like that, blme my english, who is not that good, sometimes i have some troubles to express myself.
alot things discussed here are very usefull, but others should be reconsidered, like what i mean about itens, or uniques, i dont mean u dont gonna use them, but who makes the build hav to choose, inside ur own tates or "money in pocket".
what i mean, u guys, who understend about this builds, use the same gear set in this build, and check it. no worries
i can get almost the same stats u got
STR: 16 +1LVL +3Tome +1Litany +6Item +3Ring + 2Rage +6Glove = 38 STR
DEX: 9 +2Tome +1Litany +0Item = 12 DEX
Con: 18 +4Tome +1Litany +6item +3Ring + 2Rage = 34 CON
INT: 9 +3Tome +1Litany +0Item = 13 INT
WIS : 6 +2Tome +1Litany +6Item = 15 WIS
CHA : 14 +4LVL +3Tome +1Litany +6Item +2Enh = 30CHA
i can reach
(final stats without tomes+1)
- Well, the +2 tomes are much easier to get than the litany or +3 tomes
- The rings are tough to get and are min level 18 (you can count them, but know they are goal oritented and won't have till probably level 19 or 20)
- The +6 glove are the Titan Gloves, and account for a maximum of 3 minutes of +6 strength, I never consider these in my build stat points, except in Max Burst strength (non-constant strength)
STR: 21 +3Tome +1Litany +6Item +3Ring + 2Rage +6Glove = 42 STR
DEX: 15 +2Tome +1Litany +6Item = 24 DEX
Con: 15 +4Tome +1Litany +6item +3Ring + 2Rage = 31 CON
INT: 8 +3Tome +1Litany +0Item = 12 INT
WIS : 8 +2Tome +1Litany +6Item = 17 WIS
CHA : 17 +3Tome +1Litany +6Item = 27CHA
about saves:
29/23/24 (only att.+base+cha, no itens/buff yes)
38/32/33 (+5item +4GH, no buffs)
Hit Points: 473= 60(Pal) + 56(Sorc) + 20(Heroic) + 200(Con) + 20(Minos) + 22(Toughness) + 45(Bracers) + 50(AP) Little low, but manageable, you forgot 10 from 150 Argo favor, and since you're human, you can get 20 hp cheap (3 AP) from the first two tiers of racial toughness)
there other itens i didt listed.
well. its just for check. what i mean, even agreeding that WF would be nicier, this build plenty works.
oh, about spells, expeditious retreat will be nice until get haste, and can give alot more time of running speed costing less sp. I agree
the pally spell, are all in the list. theres some useless spells, like the lion heart, but pally know all, just memorize what u choose better. same for cure light wounds.
displacement, and stoneskin will help alot to preserve ur HP. you make a great point
tenser transformation will give u full BAB like a fighter true, and you can use divine power clickies as well
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08-10-2010, 04:04 PM #13Community Member
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Originally Posted by Missing_Minds
This is a great idea. I don't remember if you can umd scrolls or not (he'll need umd, otherwise it won't matter
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08-10-2010, 04:18 PM #14Community Member
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Scrolls are not usable while under Tensers, neither class scrolls, nor UMD'ed. Originally Posted by Asketes
This is a great idea. I don't remember if you can umd scrolls or not (he'll need umd, otherwise it won't matter)
Wands are out, too. Potions are good, though, and the Lay on Hands isn't affected either.
I play a lot of melee casters (differing degrees of melee), and my advice is to plan on having boat-loads (I said boat!!) of healing/repairing, or you'll spend a lot of time in the background wondering why the pure casters are doing so much better than you.
With very few exceptions, healers aren't going to appreciate the arcane icon in the thick of battle and needing heals. They are prone to try to "teach them a lesson" by withholding their heals - at least, that's what I seem to remember.
Besides self-healing, the WF race has the decided advantage for arcane melee in that they can wear the Docent of Defiance. Get it any way you can..."I require a reminder as to why raining arcane destruction is not an appropriate response to all of life's indignities" - Vaarsuvius, OoTS #674
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Originally Posted by Asketes
Or halfling with the dragonmarks using 2 monk levels for evasion and 2 of the 3 feats needed for dragonmarks it's easy to fit in the third and dragonmarks can be used in antimagic. Originally Posted by MadFloyd
Fernando has yet to even suggest a nerf of anything.
Oh and by the way (referring to your sig), we aren't nerfing the Torc.
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