REMOVE Veteran Status from the store!

[zorander6]

Is there anything on Korthos that actually has DR? I can solo korthos with an untwinked char in about an hour (with haste) so why should I bother having to wait till I get 1000 favor (at 918 last I checked) to re run korthos again when I roll an alt (I have alt-itis.) I've only been playing a couple months and would love to be able to skip my first four levels on an alt for "testing." I'm a newb and know if, if I screw up I learn from it (usually.) I've played PnP and get tire of running the same quests over and over again....Just don't have the TP to get vet status from the store.

[Gunga]

No.

Don't do this.

Thanks.

[Warwolf42]

Not a good idea, it's based on the wrong premise that someone who hasn't "earned" in game the Vet status hasn't learned how to play.

I've rolled and re-rolled dozens of characters, I'm sick to death of Korthos, and I still need to run it for Coin Lord favor. At least I can now sprint through it.

People who by Vet status do so for various reasons, people who play DDO do so for various reason. If someone doesn't want to learn to play, Vet status won't change that.

[Visty]

Is there anything on Korthos that actually has DR? I can solo korthos with an untwinked char in about an hour (with haste) so why should I bother having to wait till I get 1000 favor (at 918 last I checked) to re run korthos again when I roll an alt (I have alt-itis.) I've only been playing a couple months and would love to be able to skip my first four levels on an alt for "testing." I'm a newb and know if, if I screw up I learn from it (usually.) I've played PnP and get tire of running the same quests over and over again....Just don't have the TP to get vet status from the store.

first: zombies have DR, skeletons have DR, mephits have DR
second: once you have done korthos on a server, you can skip it entirely, you dont need veteran for that

[zorander6]

first: zombies have DR, skeletons have DR, mephits have DR
second: once you have done korthos on a server, you can skip it entirely, you dont need veteran for that

However running a lot of the harbor quests are...not fun when you have no items from korthos, so I have to run korthos quests at least once. Forgot about the zombies, skellies and mephits since their DR has caused me no problems :/

And I believe if you talk to the first mate you can skip everything but the shoreline without having completed Misery's. Would have to create another account to verify this though.

[flynnjsw]

I take issue with your sig, sir. Unless she is extremely flat, the fastest way to a woman's heart is through the back. Learn some simple medical biology.

You are only right if you assume that he means going Ventrally. However if you go lateral (say between the 5th and the 6th ribs)you will achieve the same effect, and it is almost equidistant.

[Darkrok]

Vet status doesn't remove the need to run the early quests (favor and some of the rewards are worthwhile for certain classes). It does however mitigate it in that you can now run all those favor/gearing quests at warp speed since you're over level.

If they're going to do something like that I'd say you have to still sell it but sell it as an option to take your unlocks on a single server and extend them to all servers. This would go for Drow, FvS, 32-point builds, and vet status. Remove the ability to buy them with no restrictions if you want (I don't think they need removed but that's beside the point) but definitely keep them in for cross server stuff.

And as for 1750 favor being easy to get...that depends on how you play. If you're a slave to the favor and let favor choose your quests for you then sure, you're right. 1750 is easy. I didn't level that way though. I did what I felt like doing each day depending on my kids or my friends that were playing. Quite a bit of slayers. Oftentimes running normal. I made it to level 20 with just under 1500 favor. I've since ground out the last 250 or so just to get the free tome lined up but it was a grind...I was running quests that I didn't feel like running just because of a favor score. So feel free to make arguments about needing that extra favor to earn the right for 32-point builds...that's fine and I don't feel strongly one way or the other. But don't make the argument that you 'need' 1750 favor to understand 32-point builds (or 1000 favor to understand Vet Status for that matter). I learned nothing by going back and soloing things like The Captives or The Depths series on elite at level 20.

[ThatLukeGuy]

No I'm not rich. But...

You might be able to play the game all day long, everyday, and say that the time is well spent and the money is well saved. And you might be right.

I have to work most of the day, then when I get home and I'm not off to the store with the wife for this or that, or we're not entertaining or meeting with friends or helping family with something or out the the movie, or out the the gym or blah blah blah blah blah, if I'm lucky, I get to log on and play this game that I'm fond of quite a bit. (I can't wait till we have kids, so that I have even *more* time to myself...)

You can spend your time for vet status, I'll spend my money. I earn enough of it that between money and time, money is the cheaper of the two for me in this scenario.

/sarcasm

Don't make me have to spend more time on things of convenience in this game or I'll be forced to start a petition to make the game cost more money and thus make you equally unhappy! ><

/endsarcasm

[Rumbaar]

The fact they've removed renown from the Korthos quests gives new players less incentive to stay on the island and learn now too.

[azrael4h]

1 - You cannot buy Veteran Status without running to level 4 at least once. So the suggestion has no merit in thinking that these people are just coming in and buying veteran status solely to skip those levels; they HAD to run them first before buying it.

2 - If you cannot figure out DR in levels 5-20, then levels 1-4 won't teach you anything either.

3 - You can easily skip Korthos even as a level 1. Simply talk to the first mate, and leave. The only thing you have to do is the shipwreck shore and grotto quest. Which I liked to do for the water breathing ring anyway, but that's neither here nor there.

The entire rant seems like an elitist diatribe. The fact is you already have to earn the right to purchase veteran status. Maybe bumping the required level up to 6 would help, but seriously, I doubt it. It doesn't change in-game balance at all, and again, if you can't learn about DDO running a level 5 quest, the level1-2 stuff on Korthos won't be teaching you anything.

If a person can make it to 20 without learning this stuff, then Korthos will not change anything. They are a poor player. Deal with it, you're going to have a hard time in life as well as mmos if you can't. You'll find the people who have made it through life knowing the least, and being the most incompetent, are often your boss.

[Buggss]

/signed.... 'nuff said.

1 - You cannot buy Veteran Status without running to level 4 at least once......

Very true but you certainly can't get enough favour for veteran at lvl 4 so making someone get favour instead of buying the ability means more of the game played than bought. As you said it's still not unusual that someone can get to lvl 20 and still be a terrible player but this change would at least catch a few before it happens.

[azrael4h]

/signed.... 'nuff said.



Very true but you certainly can't get enough favour for veteran at lvl 4 so making someone get favour instead of buying the ability means more of the game played than bought. As you said it's still not unusual that someone can get to lvl 20 and still be a terrible player but this change would at least catch a few before it happens.

So? The problem is players are hitting LEVEL 20 without learning how to play. It is the height of wishful thinking to think that even one noob that can run all the way to 20 without learning about DR, spell selection, or not ****ing off the Cleric in the party will learn it on Korthos. They already RAN Korthos, and did not learn it. They ran higher level quests, ones where needing to know this stuff has far more relevance, and STILL did not learn it. They've presumably ran things like Deleras Tomb, which practically everything has some form of DR or another, and STILL could not figure this out. How is Heyton's Rest going to teach THAT level of determined noobishness what Delera's or heck even Necro can not (forget the higher level stuff)?

The proposed change will have no effect on those it's intended to effect. It only serves to reduce Turbine's income, and **** off people who made the purchase already. It will not catch anyone and make them a better player, just because they ran Korthos.

The only way to make a better player is for the player to want to be a better player. Many, however, don't give a flying ****. This won't change that. It may make people leave, but most likely you'll be losing as many good players as poor.

[puttster3]

I like this, I mean yes it won't make everyone know the game, but it will close down the line abit. Could maybe instead of needing 1000 favor, require level 4 and 500 favor just to buy it.

As far as I can tell, a good reason why people do not know what to do is they turned off the help notes, like the ones that appear in Heyton's Rest, to you being low on health. For those that come from other MMO's and the like, they see the first few help notes, looks basic enough, but also annoying. Thus they turn them off before getting to the material they needed to know.

[bloodnose13]

/signed

that is actualy great idea, veteran status should be earned.

[sainy_matthew]

Its not that someone who doesn't play korthos island is not going to have learnt how to play by level 20, its that he's not going to have learnt by level 4 thru 8. Thing about Korthos is that everyone sucks... its why Korthos ISland exists, but by the time you are in the harbour you expect the people to suck considerably less, in fact you rely on it. There is a reason why some many threads are showing up complaining about the quality of PUG. Its because a person who has puerchased vetran status is playing at a level 1 level & not at Level 4, because they didn't have to learn at the same time as other people.

Korthos Island is not exactly fun, but it teaches you the limits of you new class. There enough solo and soloable stuff that one needs to learn there role or die.

I personally think they should drop all Vetran Status, as i personally consider it too much of a short cut for lazy Vets. I would especially like to see it for Vets, as i am so sick of hearing about there uber high level characters... Heck if you are going for completionist and your using vetran status, i say you're cheating (mainly cheating your self, but still cheating).

-M

[Sani_Medicor]

I love veteran status, but I know how to play the game. My stepson plays on a bunch of different servers and it allows me to make whatever character I need to help him out. I also used it to make a perma level 4 cleric to help low level groups. I plan to do the same with a rogue, since those seem to be the two classes groups are usually looking for to start a quest. Oh and last night I used it to instantly get monk fists of light to see if it would be useful for a build that I'm working on. So in short, I love my veteran status.

[Pyromaniac]

/not signed. Taking away the personal XP death penalty is the key reason why some new players can't play and make it to cap.

[PCSwarrior]

You can't use Veteran Status until you level atleast 1 toon to level 4 anyways, so what's the big deal?

[azrael4h]

/not signed. Taking away the personal XP death penalty is the key reason why some new players can't play and make it to cap.

Wrong thread. And taking away the personal xp penalty for dying has made it easier (along with easy access to store-bought resurrection cakes) to level. You can die 100 times, as long as you don't mind paying for the raise dead (and I doubt even the most ardent of healbot Clerics/FvS will be willing to raise someone who dies that much. I keep a three strikes rule myself).

[Pyromaniac]

Wrong thread.

Given the reason the OP states for this is that new players don't learn to play...in my opinion personal XP penalties ensure they do. Therefore no need for veteran status removal.