striding item, listed as 30% but actually 24%?

[IanYang]

The run speed page on DDOWiki explained that the actual bonus striding items give you is less than listed:

• Striding item effect which is commonly found on boots or rings (listed as 5%, 10%, 15%, 20%, 25%, or 30% speed bonus; actual bonus is 4%, 8%, 12%, 16%, 20%, 24%).

Is it a bug? And can it be fixed in U6?

[puttster3]

hhhmm, just going to post this incase noone else noticed it.
5% to 4%= difference of 1%
10%to8%= difference of 2%
15%to12%=difference of 3%
20%to16%=difference of 4%
25%to20%=difference of 5%
30%to24%=difference of 6%

[blitzschlag]

hhhmm, just going to post this incase noone else noticed it.
5% to 4%= difference of 1%
10%to8%= difference of 2%
15%to12%=difference of 3%
20%to16%=difference of 4%
25%to20%=difference of 5%
30%to24%=difference of 6%

actually each stage is 20% slower than before. so the difference is 20%.

still i don't care much. the could however adapt the item description saying as much.

haste does no give the old speed bonus, phiarlan pendan does no give the old bonus.

all that does not break the game in any way...

[Rodrak]

I found more annoying that penalties weren't downgraded by 20%. So you get 24% instead of 30% but if you get -50% it's full -50%.

[AyumiAmakusa]

It's probably intended that way. Instead of giving the average (dumb) players accurate numbers like 4% and 8%, it makes much more sense to round them off to 5% and 10% so the average (amazingly stupid) players don't get overwhelmed by numbers (oh the horror). Also explains the necessary (completely unecessary and stupid) change from 1d6 to 1 to 6.

[hermespan]

It's probably intended that way. Instead of giving the average (dumb) players accurate numbers like 4% and 8%, it makes much more sense to round them off to 5% and 10% so the average (amazingly stupid) players don't get overwhelmed by numbers (oh the horror). Also explains the necessary (completely unecessary and stupid) change from 1d6 to 1 to 6.

Actually they slowed enhanced movement speed in general down. The percentage is an arbitrary number. You can still tell 30% is faster than 25%, so does it really matter if it's accurate?

As far as removing xdx, that is just bad... D&D isn't D&D without the d.

[h4x0r1f1c]

I found more annoying that penalties weren't downgraded by 20%. So you get 24% instead of 30% but if you get -50% it's full -50%.

This.

[erikst]

how the F*** would we know if there was a change from 8% to 10%?
i dont see any option to check run speed or any other unknown stat for example; confirm critical score.

oh wait a sec... hes a troll (a**hole).

[Kinerd]

how the F*** would we know if there was a change from 8% to 10%?

A stopwatch.

[samthedagger]

I recall having read something before about the way the run speed is calculated from the game mechanics point of view. It is a 30% reduction in the time required to travel from X to Y or something to that effect, which translates into a 24% increase in speed. I'm not sure if that was the exact explanation but it was something along those lines. So yes, I guess it is a bit misleading, because it isn't like you are traveling X feet per minute and then with striding you are traveling 1.3 x X feet per minute, but it makes sense from the game mechanics point of view.

[Buggss]

That's not what stupify/stupefy means at all.

I'd guess the actual meaning of the words used doesn't make any difference anyway, either that or he's trying his best to be a b0nehe@d.

[PopeDX]

That's not what stupify/stupefy means at all.

This.

[Kinerd]

I recall having read something before about the way the run speed is calculated from the game mechanics point of view. It is a 30% reduction in the time required to travel from X to Y or something to that effect, which translates into a 24% increase in speed. I'm not sure if that was the exact explanation but it was something along those lines. So yes, I guess it is a bit misleading, because it isn't like you are traveling X feet per minute and then with striding you are traveling 1.3 x X feet per minute, but it makes sense from the game mechanics point of view.

This is an idea I had not considered. Let us see:

distance = rate * time
base distance = base rate * base time
d0 = r0 * t0
d0 / r0 = t0

Taking the example of a 30% striding item, if time is reduced by 30%, then we have:
d' = r' * t'
d' = r' * ((100% - 30%) * t0)
d' = r' * (70% * t0)
d' / (r' * 70%) = t0 = d0 / r0

If we test over a controlled distance, then d' = d0 and:
d0 / (r' * 70%) = d0 / r0
r0 = r' * 70%
r0 / 70% = r'

and 1 / 70% = 143% (rounded)

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So I think it is not a 30% reduction in time.

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However, if we examine the reverse and say that time is reduced by 24%, 20%, etc., and using the formula attained above:

1 / (1 - time reduction) = speed enhancement
1 / (1 - .24) = 131%
1 / (1 - .20) = 125%
1 / (1 - .16) = 120%
1 / (1 - .12) = 114%
1 / (1 - .08) = 109%
1 / (1 - .04) = 104%

The last one looks the same, of course, because 1 / (1 - x) expands as 1 + x + x^2 +x^3, etc., and .04^2 is too small for the number of decimal places used.

[Vanshilar]

The speed is the intuitive one, i.e. distance traveled per unit time. So 20% faster means if you would normally travel 10 ft per second, now you move at 12 ft per second instead. You can find your exact coordinates by using the /loc command.

You can read about the testing methodology via the link given on the ddowiki page.

Far as I know, this was changed sometime between July 2009 and Feb 2010. Originally the numbers did work as advertised (i.e. the haste spell really did give an additional 40% increase rather than the current 32%), but was changed to their current values sometime during this time frame.

[Yellfor]

This.

That.

[phalaeo]

This is an idea I had not considered. Let us see:

distance = rate * time
base distance = base rate * base time
d0 = r0 * t0
d0 / r0 = t0

Taking the example of a 30% striding item, if time is reduced by 30%, then we have:
d' = r' * t'
d' = r' * ((100% - 30%) * t0)
d' = r' * (70% * t0)
d' / (r' * 70%) = t0 = d0 / r0

If we test over a controlled distance, then d' = d0 and:
d0 / (r' * 70%) = d0 / r0
r0 = r' * 70%
r0 / 70% = r'

and 1 / 70% = 143% (rounded)

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So I think it is not a 30% reduction in time.

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However, if we examine the reverse and say that time is reduced by 24%, 20%, etc., and using the formula attained above:

1 / (1 - time reduction) = speed enhancement
1 / (1 - .24) = 131%
1 / (1 - .20) = 125%
1 / (1 - .16) = 120%
1 / (1 - .12) = 114%
1 / (1 - .08) = 109%
1 / (1 - .04) = 104%

The last one looks the same, of course, because 1 / (1 - x) expands as 1 + x + x^2 +x^3, etc., and .04^2 is too small for the number of decimal places used.

OMG, go outside!