Viable or Trash?

[PJCDragon]

OK, I have recently made a FVS and I am trying for a mele focus. I dont need to be the best, or even close, but I want to be able to kill stuff reliably, and heal reliably. Combat casting abillity would be a plus, but it is unimportant overall (except for blade barrier). I am not intending this character for TWFing, as i dont currently have the dex for it.

I am currently a lvl5 LG Human FVS of the Sovereign Host. My feats are Empower Healing, Toughness, and Power Attack. My starting stats were (with a 28pt build) 16str, 8dex, 12con, 8int, 16wis, 12cha. I have max ranks in jump and concentration, and I put my lvl4 stat point into Wis. For future feats, I will most likely take extend lvl6, and quicken at some later time (lvl12?), but other than that, i dont know what to take for feats.

Re-rolling is not an issue at this point if that is what it will take to become prepped for mid- & end-game content. Any input that is constructive would be welcome. No, i do not want to roll a paladin or cleric or anything else. Also, I do not want to multi-class, because I want the capstone. Am I being too greedy?

Thanks in Advance!

[Sharpiie]

Wis = Offensive
Cha = Healing

Well if your going for Healing/Melee, wis should be a dump stat if not close.
That is if your are only going for BB, which would still be in decent shape as wis as a dump.

Heres a build I worked on a last night, its focused on Healing while pumping out good dps.

*PLEASE NOTE*
I am not an expert builder and you may not want to go solely off my word, get advice elsewere also =P
*PLEASE NOTE*

If you did this with a 28 point build I would drop Dex to 8 put Cha at 13 and grab a +1 tomb asap.

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Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Female
(20 Favored Soul) 
Hit Points: 352
Spell Points: 1841 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 12
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    21
Dexterity            10                    10
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence         12                    12
Wisdom                6                     6
Charisma             14                    18

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               1.5                   7
Bluff                 2                     4
Concentration         7                    28
Diplomacy             2                     4
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     4
Heal                 -2                    -2
Hide                  0                    -5
Intimidate            2                     6
Jump                  7                    23
Listen               -2                    -2
Move Silently         0                    -5
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     3
Search                1                     1
Spot                 -2                    -2
Swim                  3                    -5
Tumble                n/a                  n/a
Use Magic Device      2.5                   4.5

Level 1 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Adamantine Body
Feat: (Diety) Favored by the Lord of Blades
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Composite Plating
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Light Fortification
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Warforged Resistances
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic I
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I


Level 2 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Spell (1): Bless
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma I
Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction I


Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Child of the Lord of Blades
Spell (1): Command
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I


Level 4 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic II
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I
Enhancement: Warforged Combat Training I


Level 5 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II


Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds
Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction II


Level 7 (Favored Soul)
Spell (3): Mass Aid
Spell (2): Eagle's Spendor
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic III
Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness I


Level 8 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II


Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Spell (2): Bull's Strength
Spell (3): Magic Circle Against Evil
Spell (4): Divine Power
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma II


Level 10 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic IV


Level 11 (Favored Soul)
Spell (3): Prayer
Spell (4): Mass Shield of Faith
Spell (5): Raise Dead
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack II


Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Beloved of the Lord of Blades
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend III


Level 13 (Favored Soul)
Spell (4): Recitation
Spell (5): Protection From Elements
Spell (6): Blade Barrier
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking II
Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness II


Level 14 (Favored Soul)
Spell (7): Mass Cure Serious Wounds
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking III


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Cold
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Spell (5): Break Enchantment
Spell (6): Heal
Spell (7): Mass Spell Resistance
Enhancement: Favored Soul Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Greatsword Specialization I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Concentration I


Level 16 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Spell (8): Mass Cure Critical Wounds
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness I


Level 17 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Automatic) Leap Of Faith
Spell (7): Resurrection
Spell (8): Mass Death Ward
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness II


Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Spell (9): Mass Heal
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness III


Level 19 (Favored Soul)
Spell (8): Death Pact
Spell (9): True Resurrection
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack III


Level 20 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Favored Soul Ascendency: Lord of Blades
Enhancement: Favored Soul Greatsword Specialization II

Here are some other builds and tips you may want to look at.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=268346
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=211596

These all being primarily WF, if you want to stay human you may want to splash something.

[Carlll]

OK, I have recently made a FVS and I am trying for a mele focus. I dont need to be the best, or even close, but I want to be able to kill stuff reliably, and heal reliably. Combat casting abillity would be a plus, but it is unimportant overall (except for blade barrier). I am not intending this character for TWFing, as i dont currently have the dex for it.

I am currently a lvl5 LG Human FVS of the Sovereign Host.

Since you cant go 2WFing you'd want to use twohanded weapons (S&B is ****). Only such weapon you are proficient in is the Quarterstaff which is rather bad.

You could splash a martial class to gain proficiency with a nice 2hander, or reroll.

Reroll either to WF for Greatswords, Human to dualwield Longswords or Elf to dualwield Scimis.
Check out the according builds in this forum.

I'd reroll. A Human FvS speccing into 2HFing doesnt seem to make much sense. S&B even less.

Wis = Offensive
Cha = Healing

Charisma has very little to do with healing. You just need it high enough to cast your highest level spells.
The mana gain is minimal.

The starting Charisma of 13 or 14 in your build is too high, especially for a WF.

[Sharpiie]

Since you cant go 2WFing you'd want to use twohanded weapons (S&B is ****). Only such weapon you are proficient in is the Quarterstaff which is rather bad.

You could splash a martial class to gain proficiency with a nice 2hander, or reroll.

Reroll either to WF for Greatswords, Human to dualwield Longswords or Elf to dualwield Scimis.
Check out the according builds in this forum.

I'd reroll. A Human FvS speccing into 2HFing doesnt seem to make much sense. S&B even less.


Charisma has very little to do with healing. You just need it high enough to cast your highest level spells.
The mana gain is minimal.

The starting Charisma of 13 or 14 in your build is too high, especially for a WF.

He's correct, was a little tired.

As I said, don't go only off what I say.

Although I think I'd stick with the Cha I said, but I don't doubt you can make a good point in your favor.

[vVAnjilaVv]

Unless you take empower and maximize your BB's are not going to do much as mobs will save on them left and right. Without these two meta's and wisdom as a dump stat they won't do enough damage to be worth casting....and the spell will most likely be 100% worthless against evasion mobs.

If u want to make a melee FVS, I would not even look at offensive spells and concentrate on the melee and healing portions of your build.....unless like I said ur going to take the two metas I noted. U might even be able to get away with just maximize......but u will need that at the very least for BB's and possibly Searing Light. I mean u could still use both of these spells without those meta's, but they are just going to be very sub-par.

[Khayvan]

OP, your stats are actually a better set-up for an offensive caster. It wouldn't be a bad character at all if you continued to focus on Wisdom, but if you want better melee power... I'd suggest a re-roll.

Take a look at Impaqt's Superior Soul build: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=243539

It may be what you're looking for.

The problem with staying pure on a TWF Favored Soul is that feats are so tight. You need 3 feats for TWF, you need Impoved Crit, you need Power Attack. That only leaves 3 slot (on a human) for metamagics, of which you'll want Quicken, Empower Spell/Empower Healing, Maximize and probably Extend. Oh, and don't forget Toughness, which I highly recommend you take. So you see, some comprimises have to be made. Impaqt's build is the best I've seen so far for that.

This is why most TWF Souls splash monk or fighter, to get the 2 extra feats. But if you're willing to make the comprimises, then you can get what you want in your build.

Good luck.

Unless you take empower and maximize your BB's are not going to do much as mobs will save on them left and right. Without these two meta's and wisdom as a dump stat they won't do enough damage to be worth casting....and the spell will most likely be 100% worthless against evasion mobs.

If u want to make a melee FVS, I would not even look at offensive spells and concentrate on the melee and healing portions of your build.....unless like I said ur going to take the two metas I noted. U might even be able to get away with just maximize......but u will need that at the very least for BB's and possibly Searing Light. I mean u could still use both of these spells without those meta's, but they are just going to be very sub-par.

My build uses just Maximize and dumps WIS. While I notice that my BB's aren't as powerful as a full-on offensive caster's, it does the job fine. Maximized, Extended and with Superior Potency VI it does quite a bit of damage. Yeah, evasion mobs usually walk right though it, but I've yet to see an evasion mob that I couldn't beat down with a greatsword with little effort.

I agree with you, though. Going melee, it's best to ignore most offensive spells, especially for a newcomer to the class and even more so with a 28 pt build. But I still feel BB is definitely worth taking, even with WIS as a dump stat.

[vVAnjilaVv]

OP, your stats are actually a better set-up for an offensive caster. It wouldn't be a bad character at all if you continued to focus on Wisdom, but if you want better melee power... I'd suggest a re-roll.

Take a look at Impaqt's Superior Soul build: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=243539

It may be what you're looking for.

The problem with staying pure on a TWF Favored Soul is that feats are so tight. You need 3 feats for TWF, you need Impoved Crit, you need Power Attack. That only leaves 3 slot (on a human) for metamagics, of which you'll want Quicken, Empower Spell/Empower Healing, Maximize and probably Extend. Oh, and don't forget Toughness, which I highly recommend you take. So you see, some comprimises have to be made. Impaqt's build is the best I've seen so far for that.

This is why most TWF Souls splash monk or fighter, to get the 2 extra feats. But if you're willing to make the comprimises, then you can get what you want in your build.

Good luck.



My build uses just Maximize and dumps WIS. While I notice that my BB's aren't as powerful as a full-on offensive caster's, it does the job fine. Maximized, Extended and with Superior Potency VI it does quite a bit of damage. Yeah, evasion mobs usually walk right though it, but I've yet to see an evasion mob that I couldn't beat down with a greatsword with little effort.

I agree with you, though. Going melee, it's best to ignore most offensive spells, especially for a newcomer to the class and even more so with a 28 pt build. But I still feel BB is definitely worth taking, even with WIS as a dump stat.

Yeah, but you have maximize I'm so wanting to try one of the Lord of the Blades FvS's.....my first one was an elven TWF scimmy user.

[Khayvan]

Yeah, but you have maximize I'm so wanting to try one of the Lord of the Blades FvS's.....my first one was an elven TWF scimmy user.

Yeah, I was just saying you can get away with just Maximize and still do fine. I debated taking Empower Spell over Empower Healing, but the extra bump to only one of my spells (BB) wasn't worth having weaker Heals/Mass Heals.

I highly recommend a WF Soul to anyone wanting a melee healer. It's a simple, fun and highly resilient character. It is the perfect build for me, I wanted a healer but my first love is melee toons and I'm not the type that can just sit back and watch red bars all quest. So it pretty much gives me everything I want in one extremely tough package.