Hit Dice of Multiclasses

[ddobard1]

One huge asset of the class barbarian is his HD=12. But what about multiclassed Characters?
Level 20 Barbarian = 12*20=240. So HD=12.
Level 17 Barbarian, level 2 Rogue, level 1 Sorcerer = 12*17+2*6+1*4=220. So HD=11?
Level 18 Barbarian, level 2 Fighter = 12*18+2*10=236. So HD=11? Rounds down?
Ty.

[Syntax42]

If you take 18 barbarian levels, you get 12 hit die X 18 levels = 216 HP.
If the other two levels are rogue levels, you get 6 hit die X 2 levels = 12 HP.
Add those two up for your total HP.

You are making it more complicated than it needs to be.

[JustWinBaby]

You are making it more complicated than it needs to be.

This.

[ddobard1]

Thats not the point. There are spells like Daze Monster that only affects creatures with equal or lower a given HD. (.) I would like to know what is the HD for instance of 18 Barb/2 Rog or 17 Barb/1 Rang/2 Sorc?

[blitzschlag]

Thats not the point. There are spells like Daze Monster that only affects creatures with equal or lower a given HD. (.) I would like to know what is the HD for instance of 18 Barb/2 Rog or 17 Barb/1 Rang/2 Sorc?

um, forget about hit-die in ddo. all spells that are based on hit-die are broken...

[ddobard1]

Daze Monster: Clouds the mind of an enemy so that it takes no actions for 6 seconds. Creatures of 7 or more Hit Dice are not affected. A successful Will save negates this effect. For instance in Proof is in the Poison they cast a lot and if you are an HD < 6, you know.

[Impaqt]

Thats not the point. There are spells like Daze Monster that only affects creatures with equal or lower a given HD. (.) I would like to know what is the HD for instance of 18 Barb/2 Rog or 17 Barb/1 Rang/2 Sorc?

Character level = # of HD

You are making it too complicated.

a Level 1 Barb/1 Sorc would have 16 hit POINTS, but still 2HD

[ddobard1]

I think HD of 20 Sorcerer = 4.
I think HD of 20 barbarian = 12.

[Geonis]

I think HD of 20 Sorcerer = 4.
I think HD of 20 barbarian = 12.

No, HD of both is 20.

HD= # of dice, not size of dice.

[PresentTense]

A level 20 character has 20 hit dice, no matter what the value of those individual dice are.

[JustWinBaby]

I think HD of 20 Sorcerer = 4.
I think HD of 20 barbarian = 12.

That is how many hit points they get per level (which is totally broken lol).

In PnP, you ROLL a 1d12 for a Barbarian (after first level) (not automatically get 12).

Hit Die is from PnP, and because you don't roll a die in DDO for your HP, it's confusing. How many dice you rolled to get your HP is what your Hit Die is.

[blitzschlag]

A level 20 character has 20 hit dice, no matter what the value of those individual dice are.

note that a cr7 mob does no necessarily have 7 hit dice. in general the mobs hp are bloated in ddo. thats why hit dice based spells usually don't work in ddo (except in the opposite way)

[Arel]

Anything based on HD is asking for the NUMBER of 'dice.' It has nothing to do with their value. For anything with class levels (including our characters), that's going to be equivalent to said levels unless the creature has racial hit dice. Which isn't an issue for us.

As it has been said before, you're making it too complicated.

[sigtrent]

Thats not the point. There are spells like Daze Monster that only affects creatures with equal or lower a given HD. (.) I would like to know what is the HD for instance of 18 Barb/2 Rog or 17 Barb/1 Rang/2 Sorc?

The HD (hit dice) of a character is equal to their character level, and that is all. So an 18 Barb / 2 Rog has 20 HD. An 18 Wiz / 12 Barb has 20 HD as well. The size of the dice aka d12, d4, d10 etc... doesn't matter for HD, only HP (hit points)

Dice are what you roll, points are what you get.

[Happosaai]

Character level = # of HD

You are making it too complicated.

a Level 1 Barb/1 Sorc would have 16 hit POINTS, but still 2HD

^^^^^^^^^^
This.

You are making it way more complicated than it really is. You get 1 HD per character level. It doesn't matter what the value of that HD is for the spells you are talking about.

[ddobard1]

Ty i didn't know that. Thank god we haven't to roll to determine HP, this way is more fair.
In PnP you can also distribute the points like in DDO, i prefer this way.

[JustWinBaby]

Ty i didn't know that. Thank god we haven't to roll to determine HP, this way is more fair.
In PnP you can also distribute the points like in DDO, i prefer this way.

Fair to the player or to the DM? :P

[blitzschlag]

Ty i didn't know that. Thank god we haven't to roll to determine HP, this way is more fair.
In PnP you can also distribute the points like in DDO, i prefer this way.

well, rolling always has a route to cheating. the gm looking away intentionally or unintentionally. in nwn you could cancel the level-up proces if your roll was to low for your liking. you did just lvl-up 10 times in the row until you had a 10 on your d10 roll...

and there is plenty of opportunity to gimp your char beyond repair as is. gimped chars with extra gimped hp would drive alot of ppl off...

[ddobard1]

Both. You can shape your Character with feats, skills, abilities, etc. Don't need to weaken it with a few bad rolls!

[imblo99]

and there is plenty of opportunity to gimp your char beyond repair as is. gimped chars with extra gimped hp would drive alot of ppl off...

Only problem is because we get the max hit dice roll at every level, the game difficulty is adjusted likewise which translates to damage to PCs probably being about 30% more than it would were the hit points randomised.

Also maxing the roll has resulted in big differences between fighter types and casters types. This has lead to a situation where the lower HP classes (primarily casters) have to place such a premium on high con - higher than it should be IMO.