TWF vs. THF Pally: Which does more DPS?

[Boromirs]

Which of the two does more DPS? TWF or THF Pally? and why? and under what build circumstance?

[Nick_RC]

2WF hands down with the possible exception of the Epic SOS on a pure Pali. Other than that one weapon 2wf for sure.

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[Plutocracy]

TWF with KoTC for sure. With Hunter of Dead, pretty close until capstone/DM IV, where TWF probably pulls ahead again.

At early levels the 1.5 from STR and x2 from PA put THF ahead, but as more and more flat bonuses apply (KoTC+Capstone+Divine Favor+Divine Might) to every strike, TWF dominates.

[mindlessdrone1991]

This gives a pretty thorough explanation of why TWF will outshine THF for a paladin, pretty much every time. --> http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...99&postcount=2

[Boromirs]

Well, pretty much got that answered.

[sigtrent]

TWF tends to win for all classes. Barbarian has waffled back and forth a bit but TWF still generally wins there too.

THF is pretty good for hate tanking as fewer big hits can out-agro more smaller hits. And THF DPS is still very good, just not as good as TWF.

It really comes down to the simple fact that anything boosting your damage is going to add twice with TWF and once with THF. (its a bit more complicated than all that, but it does boil down that way)

[LookingForABentoBox]

It really comes down to the simple fact that anything boosting your damage is going to add twice with TWF and once with THF. (its a bit more complicated than all that, but it does boil down that way)

The conclusion that 2wf does more damage is prob. correct but one should point out that KotC, Divine sacrifice, and the capstone do apply all their damage on glancing blows.

[Aaxeyu]

TWF > THF. Even with epic sos.

[t0r012]

Yes TWF will certainly out damage THF.

In my opinion thought if you are new to the game or Pallys in general go THF. The stat distribution is easier and it is easier to gear. I'd prefer to party with an under geared well stated THF pally than a thin spread under geared TWF pally any day. Even later in the game you will still be a big DPS addition with a THF pally.

It is too easy to gimp a TWF pally. I don't think I have ever heard "oh you are a THF, pally? sorry you can't run with us" nor have I seen them dropped on the way to the next dungeon, yet I have seen TWF pallys dropped.

[Nick_RC]

TWF > THF. Even with epic sos.

Good to know. Thought it would be close but wasnt 100% sure.

[maddmatt70]

Yes TWF will certainly out damage THF.

In my opinion thought if you are new to the game or Pallys in general go THF. The stat distribution is easier and it is easier to gear. I'd prefer to party with an under geared well stated THF pally than a thin spread under geared TWF pally any day. Even later in the game you will still be a big DPS addition with a THF pally.

It is too easy to gimp a TWF pally. I don't think I have ever heard "oh you are a THF, pally? sorry you can't run with us" nor have I seen them dropped on the way to the next dungeon, yet I have seen TWF pallys dropped.

This is a good point. Twf pally's can be hit point or charisma challenged for sure and tend to be more gear dependent (more tomes, 34 and 36 pts, better gear required, etc.).

[DelScorcho]

Echo the sentiment that new players shouldn't jump immediately into a TWF pally. A guildy just asked me yesterday what build he should use for a 28 point twf build. I suggested he roll the 28 point version of a TWF Pally, a ranger. A pally is just too gimpy on a 28 point build, because you gotta dump either con, strength or charisma, and this will be catastrophic on your survivability and/or DPS. It starts to get decent with 32. At 34, you can start getting some hitpoints, and at 36, the points don't seem quite so sparse.

[Goldeneye]

Good point. If you are THF you can drop all the DEX, and up either your CON, CHA, or STR

[Nick_RC]

This is a good point. Twf pally's can be hit point or charisma challenged for sure and tend to be more gear dependent (more tomes, 34 and 36 pts, better gear required, etc.).

The stat points are definately tight on a pali even at 36p. I think 28p should def go two handed.

Equipment...meh not so much in fact pali is probably one of the best classes for a brand spanking new player. Holy sword is a fantastic weapon and easily obtainable for any lvl 14+ pali. Couple that with self healing/buffing palis make a strong first character IMO.

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[lord_of_rage]

The stat points are definately tight on a pali even at 36p. I think 28p should def go two handed.

Equipment...meh not so much in fact pali is probably one of the best classes for a brand spanking new player. Holy sword is a fantastic weapon and easily obtainable for any lvl 14+ pali. Couple that with self healing/buffing palis make a strong first character IMO.

N

I cant agree more. Basic equipment is easy. They have great saves. The self healing is a boon. And they can drop solid dps.

[Junts]

I cant agree more. Basic equipment is easy. They have great saves. The self healing is a boon. And they can drop solid dps.

You forgot the most important thing about being a paladin: Doing what I say!

[unbongwah]

TWF elf paladin is doable with 28 pts: 16 / 16 / 12 / 8 / 8 / 14. Ain't a great pally - I'd rather hold out for at least drow to get CHA up to 16 - but it's doable. EDIT: can even be done w/out tomes - first lvl-up into DEX, rest into STR.

[lord_of_rage]

You forgot the most important thing about being a paladin: Doing what I say!

lol

[Hydro]

Yes TWF will certainly out damage THF.

In my opinion thought if you are new to the game or Pallys in general go THF. The stat distribution is easier and it is easier to gear. I'd prefer to party with an under geared well stated THF pally than a thin spread under geared TWF pally any day. Even later in the game you will still be a big DPS addition with a THF pally.

It is too easy to gimp a TWF pally. I don't think I have ever heard "oh you are a THF, pally? sorry you can't run with us" nor have I seen them dropped on the way to the next dungeon, yet I have seen TWF pallys dropped.

/agree

My Pally would of never worked as TWF, the only thing that allows him to hit in Epic's is the +10 Weapon he has in his hands. The Epic Sos has at least +8 to hit (+10 Weapon, +1 Bladesworn, no -2 for Two Weapons) over a TWF Pally which is just huges in epics.

If you arent planning on getting an Epic Sos then no point in going THF on a pally though, the dps is pretty bad...