Xymel-All out Dps Palidan

[stormarcher]

I wanted to create an all out Dps Palidan. At the Moment I am pretty sure this is one of, if not the highest Dps paladan out there.

This just in!!! I can Not post about this Being a Dps paladin for people with only 32 point builds out there! This is not a Dps paladin at all matter of fact. I dont have Dm4 or any epic gear. or 2 past life feats.! I am sorry for ever claiming this and stirring you to think that hey this may be a great Dps build. Please just move along because this is just your average run of the road paladin.

Xymel

Class: Paladin 20
Race: Warforged
Allignment: Lawful Good.

Starting Stats:
Str 16
Dex 15
Con 14
Int 8
Wis 6
Cha 14

Ending Stats:
Str 28 (16 base + 5 level + 6 item + + 1 exc.)
Dex 20 (15 base + + 5 item)
Con 24 (14 base + + 6 item + 3 exc. + 1 enh.)
Int 10 (8 base + 2 tome)
Wis 12 (6 base + 6 item)
Cha 22 (14 base + e + 2 enh. + 6 item)


Ac:
Doesn't matter

Enhancements

Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
Enhancement: Divine Might III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite IV
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice III
Enhancement: Bladesworn Transformation
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
Enhancement: Paladin Weapons of Good
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack III


Hit Points at level 20
200 Paladin levels
20 Heroic Durability
100 Con
20 Enhancements
30 GFL
10 Favor
45 Shroud item
22 toughness
---------------------
447
---------------------
16 Rage spell
---------------------
463 HP

Feats:
Khopesh
Two weapon fighting
Power Attack
Improved two weapon fighting
Improved critical: slashing (change to piercing when you get 2 Mineral II)
Greater two weapon fighting
Oversized two weapon fighting
Toughness


Saves Unbuffed
Fortitude: 32 (12 Paladin + 9 con + 8 cha + 1 ritual + 1 exc. + 1 aura)
Reflex: 28 (6 Paladin + 7 dex + 8 cha + 5 res + 1 ritual + 1 aura)
Will: 27 (6 Paladin + 3 wis + 8 cha + 5 res + 3 exc. + 1 ritual + 1 aura)


Saves Self Buffed
Fortitude: 39 (+ 4 GH + 2 reci + 1 rage)
Reflex: 35 (+ 4 GH + 1 haste +2 reci)
Will: 33 (+ 4 GH + 2 reci)


Skill Points:

UMD and jump.

UMD:
11 ranks
+6 shroud item
+8 cha item
+5 seven fingered gloves
+4 gh
+2 head
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36

Items

Main hand - Mineral Khopesh, +1 or +2 CON, Holy, Acid Effect.
Off hand - Mineral Khopesh, Holy/Acid, Acid
Armor - Dragontouched: GFL, +2 Cha, Guard Effect (STR Depends on stacking)
Bracers - Leviks +6 STR +20% Healing
Ring - Encrusted
Boots - madstone/Striders
Gloves - Spectral/+6 Dex
Ring - +6 Con
Belt - Knosts
Cloak - +5 resistance cloak w/ Resistance Ritual
Trinket - bloodstone
Necklace - Torc (unlimited Sp)
Helmet - minos legend
Goggles - Tharnes goggles, +5 SA, true seeing, +15 search, +15 spot.


Strengths .v. Weaknesses
+High DPS
+High saves
+Decent UMD
+High HP



-Sacrifices conventional paladin stuff for DPS (i.e. bulwark of good and the like)
-No evasion
-Low AC
-Heavily clicky based, meaning actual dps will be lower than the caclulated

Dps Calc

528.63 With Divine Sacrifice

Average Smite Damage:

Main Hand:440.48

Off Hand:259.21

[ThunderTank]

+4 tomes on all stats ? Seriously ? And no epic gear? =)
Watch out before calling yourself TOP dps.. Your gear setup is far from ideal for claiming yourself top dps.

WF pallys are kinda fun. But works much better on a THF imo.

TOD sets would be ravager /lorinthors + shintao. Epic Chaosblades with silver on it. And would go human of course. (E-marilith chain. Enough CHA to get DM4, better to-hit, healing amp, extra feat, more dps overall). Epic Spectral gloves, Epic helm of the red dragon, etc.
If u are considering the utopy of getting a +4 tome on every stat, please at least get the right toys to begin with.

[Boromirs]

Why THF and not TWF? Dual Khopeshes are still tops in the DPS department, THF is alright if you want to save on the three feats and twitch all day.

[ThunderTank]

Why THF and not TWF? Dual Khopeshes are still tops in the DPS department, THF is alright if you want to save on the three feats and twitch all day.

If u read the post i said that i prefer human twf or halfling twf. Its obvious that twf pally is way more dps, not arguing about that.
Thats my pally build. Already got all the necessary gear.
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=262087

Whats the point of posting a flawed build with a bunch of "fill on the blanks" concerning gear and claim to be "one of the top dps out there" when its clearly not ?

[stormarcher]

If u read the post i said that i prefer human twf or halfling twf. Its obvious that twf pally is way more dps, not arguing about that.
Thats my pally build. Already got all the necessary gear.
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=262087

Whats the point of posting a flawed build with a bunch of "fill on the blanks" concerning gear and claim to be "one of the top dps out there" when its clearly not ?

I never used those in the calcs.

I know way more about Dps then you do.

Troll somewhere else

[ThunderTank]

I never used those in the calcs.

I know way more about Dps then you do.

Troll somewhere else

No, u dont.
When u post a build should be aware that u gonna get criticism (negative or positive).
Putting a thread on your sign about dps doesnt make you automatically an expert.
The build needs changes in the gear in order to optimize dps. Deal with it.

[stormarcher]

+4 tomes on all stats ? Seriously ? And no epic gear? =)
Watch out before calling yourself TOP dps.. Your gear setup is far from ideal for claiming yourself top dps.

WF pallys are kinda fun. But works much better on a THF imo.

TOD sets would be ravager /lorinthors + shintao. Epic Chaosblades with silver on it. And would go human of course. (E-marilith chain. Enough CHA to get DM4, better to-hit, healing amp, extra feat, more dps overall). Epic Spectral gloves, Epic helm of the red dragon, etc.
If u are considering the utopy of getting a +4 tome on every stat, please at least get the right toys to begin with.

+4 tomes are optional.

Twf is way more Dps then thf.

the reason I used +4 tomes was to show the possibilities. That is why there is no epic gear in gear list

[lord_of_rage]

I wanted to create an all out Dps Palidan. At the Moment I am pretty sure this is one of, if not the highest Dps palidan out there.

Xymel

Class: Paladin 20
Race: Warforged
Allignment: Lawful Good.

Starting Stats:
Str 16
Dex 15
Con 14
Int 8
Wis 6
Cha 14

Ending Stats:
Str 32 (16 base + 5 level + 6 item + 4 tome + 1 exc.)
Dex 24 (15 base + 4 tome + 5 item)
Con 28 (14 base + 4 tome + 6 item + 3 exc. + 1 enh.)
Int 10 (8 base + 2 tome)
Wis 16 (6 base +4 tome + 6 item)
Cha 26 (14 base + 4 tome + 2 enh. + 6 item)


Ac:
Doesn't matter

Enhancements

Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
Enhancement: Divine Might III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite IV
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice III
Enhancement: Bladesworn Transformation
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
Enhancement: Paladin Weapons of Good
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack III


Hit Points at level 20
200 Paladin levels
20 Heroic Durability
100 Con
20 Enhancements
30 GFL
10 Favor
45 Shroud item
22 toughness
---------------------
447
---------------------
16 Rage spell
---------------------
463 HP

Feats:
Khopesh
Two weapon fighting
Power Attack
Improved two weapon fighting
Improved critical: slashing (change to piercing when you get 2 Mineral II)
Greater two weapon fighting
Oversized two weapon fighting
Toughness


Saves Unbuffed
Fortitude: 32 (12 Paladin + 9 con + 8 cha + 1 ritual + 1 exc. + 1 aura)
Reflex: 28 (6 Paladin + 7 dex + 8 cha + 5 res + 1 ritual + 1 aura)
Will: 27 (6 Paladin + 3 wis + 8 cha + 5 res + 3 exc. + 1 ritual + 1 aura)


Saves Self Buffed
Fortitude: 39 (+ 4 GH + 2 reci + 1 rage)
Reflex: 35 (+ 4 GH + 1 haste +2 reci)
Will: 33 (+ 4 GH + 2 reci)


Skill Points:

UMD and jump.

UMD:
11 ranks
+6 shroud item
+8 cha item
+5 seven fingered gloves
+4 gh
+2 head
--------------
36

Items

Main hand - Mineral Khopesh, +1 or +2 CON, Holy, Acid Effect.
Off hand - Mineral Khopesh, Holy/Acid, Acid
Armor - Dragontouched: GFL, +2 Cha, Guard Effect (STR Depends on stacking)
Bracers - Leviks +6 STR +20% Healing
Ring - Encrusted
Boots - madstone/Striders
Gloves - Spectral/+6 Dex
Ring - +6 Con
Belt - Knosts
Cloak - +5 resistance cloak w/ Resistance Ritual
Trinket - bloodstone
Necklace - Torc (unlimited Sp)
Helmet - minos legend
Goggles - Tharnes goggles, +5 SA, true seeing, +15 search, +15 spot.


Strengths .v. Weaknesses
+High DPS
+High saves
+Decent UMD
+High HP



-Sacrifices conventional paladin stuff for DPS (i.e. bulwark of good and the like)
-No evasion
-Low AC
-Heavily clicky based, meaning actual dps will be lower than the caclulated

Dps Calc

528.63 With Divine Sacrifice

Average Smite Damage:

Main Hand:440.48

Off Hand:259.21

Critical Smite Damage:

Main Hand:1152.2

Off Hand:710.3

Those numbers are way off. Id like to know how you are getting those calcs. You dont have divine might4. A human pure with dm4 dual epic chaos blades and and epic maralith chain will do more dps. Bladesworn is situational and has a really long cool down. This build is not max dps for a paladin by any streatch sorry.

[stormarcher]

Those numbers are way off. Id like to know how you are getting those calcs. You dont have divine might4. A human pure with dm4 dual epic chaos blades and and epic maralith chain will do more dps. Bladesworn is situational and has a really long cool down. This build is not max dps for a paladin by any streatch sorry.

Yes I realize this yet those are really hard to obtain items.

yes +4 tomes are hard to obtain and the concept was just to show possibility. I took them down because people can't understand that.

Divine might was not used

[Ssmooth]

I can tell you from experience that you will not be smiting over 1k with a 1 handed non-nerfed ESOS.

I have a 20 human KotC with 32 str and 29 cha with DMIII and bard buffed smite ~620 with minII khopesh. A heavy pick will get you in the 700's, thf ESOS gets you in the 800's.

While dps is definately excellent, those numbers are not realistic in the slightest.

Solid build, very fun to play.

[Aaxeyu]

Those numbers are way off. Id like to know how you are getting those calcs. You dont have divine might4. A human pure with dm4 dual epic chaos blades and and epic maralith chain will do more dps. Bladesworn is situational and has a really long cool down. This build is not max dps for a paladin by any streatch sorry.

A WF will do slightly more DPS than a human, even if the human got Lotd, marilith chain and DM 4.

You are correct that the OPs DPS numbers are off however.

[lord_of_rage]

A WF will do slightly more DPS than a human, even if the human got Lotd, marilith chain and DM 4.

You are correct that the OPs DPS numbers are off however.

A WF with equal stats will beat the human no question. But a wf with 1 less str bracket than the human, dm3 vs dm4 and the chain will lose out to the human. But with equal stats WF hands down.

OP bottom line you claimed this build to be max dps and its not.

[stormarcher]

A WF with equal stats will beat the human no question. But a wf with 1 less str bracket than the human, dm3 vs dm4 and the chain will lose out to the human. But with equal stats WF hands down.

OP bottom line you claimed this build to be max dps and its not.

since when is "all out Dps" "Max Dps ever possible"

...

I never claimed that

[ThunderTank]

A WF with equal stats will beat the human no question. But a wf with 1 less str bracket than the human, dm3 vs dm4 and the chain will lose out to the human. But with equal stats WF hands down.

OP bottom line you claimed this build to be max dps and its not.

Exactly.
Not really concerned about trolling, and dont give a **** about forum REP. Just wanted the Mr. graphic expert to aknowledge his mistakes.

[stormarcher]

Exactly.
Not really concerned about trolling, and dont give a **** about forum REP. Just wanted the Mr. graphic expert to aknowledge his mistakes.

Alright Im going to come out and say that I am sorry for calling you a troll and claiming I know more then you do.

I admit that this build would need epic items to become all out Dps. I guess I should have never claimed that because obviously it is not. How ever besides the claim no one has commented on anything except that. Your not all Dps you don't have "x" gear or Dm4. SO I am sorry for ever claiming that.

Yeah me neither I have recieved 3 neg reps in last 20 hours. Probably from the same person.

3 consecutive posts of mine ( not negative) were neg rep'd

Someone is out to get me and I really dont care

but again sorry for myself ever saying I knew more about dps then you did.

[lord_of_rage]

I wanted to create an all out Dps Palidan. At the Moment I am pretty sure this is one of, if not the highest Dps palidan out there.

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Yes you did. Then you told another poster he was wrong when disagreed with you. This build isnt the highest dps paladin out there. Now if it was 36 pt wf had dm4 and the right gear it would be. And your dps calcs are waayyy off.

[78mackson]

Yes you did. Then you told another poster he was wrong when disagreed with you. This build isnt the highest dps paladin out there. Now if it was 36 pt wf had dm4 and the right gear it would be. And your dps calcs are waayyy off.

... and human will also out dps a WF in epic. Paladins to-hit isn't really that good to begin with....

edit: WFs are still more fun thou...

[Hydro]

Yeah after making the same build but with THF I would never consider going TWF on a WF Paladin. I could barely hit in epics until I got an Epic SoS for him and my friend who has a 36 point TWF WF Pally with three +4 tomes is working on getting an epic Sos for his TWF WF Pally since as he puts it "I cant hit the side of a barn".

Epic SoS + Pally = Win

[lord_of_rage]

Yeah after making the same build but with THF I would never consider going TWF on a WF Paladin. I could barely hit in epics until I got an Epic SoS for him and my friend who has a 36 point TWF WF Pally with three +4 tomes is working on getting an epic Sos for his TWF WF Pally since as he puts it "I cant hit the side of a barn".

Epic SoS + Pally = Win

As a wf I can see the to hit problems in epic twf. On my human I dont have that issue.

[weewoo0]

I wanted to create an all out Dps Palidan. At the Moment I am pretty sure this is one of, if not the highest Dps paladan out there.

This just in!!! I can Not post about this Being a Dps paladin for people with only 32 point builds out there! This is not a Dps paladin at all matter of fact. I dont have Dm4 or any epic gear. or 2 past life feats.! I am sorry for ever claiming this and stirring you to think that hey this may be a great Dps build. Please just move along because this is just your average run of the road paladin.

Xymel

Class: Paladin 20
Race: Warforged
Allignment: Lawful Good.

Starting Stats:
Str 16
Dex 15
Con 14
Int 8
Wis 6
Cha 14

Ending Stats:
Str 28 (16 base + 5 level + 6 item + + 1 exc.) go 16 base 5 level 6 item 3 exceptional 2 tome for 32..... please.....
Dex 20 (15 base + + 5 item) 2 tome or no itwf/gtwf
Con 24 (14 base + + 6 item + 3 exc. + 1 enh.) 3 exceptional on con but not str? i'd say con's lucky to get 1 exceptional..... my preffered setup would be {14 base +2 tome + 6 item + 2 enhancements <if you can fit it in> else 1 enhancement + 1 exceptional (dt)} giving 24 con
Int 10 (8 base + 2 tome)
Wis 12 (6 base + 6 item) cool..... so no zeal..... -10% hits..... got it.... add a +2 tome here or camp at 13 till you do. yes zeal is THAT good
Cha 22 (14 base + e + 2 enh. + 6 item) +2 tome for DM 3 and a +7 to saves instead of the +6


Ac:
Doesn't matter

Enhancements

Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
Enhancement: Divine Might III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite IV
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice III
Enhancement: Bladesworn Transformation
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
Enhancement: Paladin Weapons of Good
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack III


Hit Points at level 20
200 Paladin levels
20 Heroic Durability
100 Con 24 con = 140 hp.
20 Enhancements
30 GFL
10 Favor
45 Shroud item
22 toughness
---------------------
447 487
---------------------
16 Rage spell
---------------------
463 HP

Feats:
Khopesh
Two weapon fighting
Power Attack
Improved two weapon fighting
Improved critical: slashing (change to piercing when you get 2 Mineral II)
Greater two weapon fighting
Oversized two weapon fighting
Toughness


Saves Unbuffed
Fortitude: 32 (12 Paladin + 9 con +7 con + 8 cha +7 cha + 1 ritual + 1 exc. what? i think you mean +5 item + 1 aura) 34 fort not 32
Reflex: 28 (6 Paladin + 7 dex +6 + 8 cha +7 + 5 res + 1 ritual + 1 aura) 26
Will: 27 (6 Paladin + 3 wis+2 wis with a +2 tome + 8 cha +7 cha + 5 res + 3 exc. from? + 1 ritual + 1 aura)21 will with a +2 tome


Saves Self Buffed
Fortitude: 39 (+ 4 GH + 2 reci + 1 rage) 37. 41 with holy aura
Reflex: 35 (+ 4 GH + 1 haste +2 reci) 33. 37 with holy aura
Will: 33 (+ 4 GH + 2 reci) rage adds 1 here as well iir..... 28 will. 32 with holy aura


Skill Points:

UMD and jump.

UMD:
11 ranks
+6 shroud item
+8 cha item +7
+5 seven fingered gloves
+4 gh
+2 head
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36 35 fully buffed and geared 28 walking around 27 unless he slotted the +1 cha somewhere i didn't see

Items

Main hand - Mineral Khopesh, +1 or +2 CON, Holy, Acid Effect.
Off hand - Mineral Khopesh, Holy/Acid, Acid
Armor - Dragontouched: GFL, +2 Cha cannot appear here, Guard Effect (STR Depends on stacking)
Bracers - Leviks +6 STR +20% Healing
Ring - Encrusted +8 str +1 cha lorinthors don't remember ravager's stats atm.
Boots - madstone/Striders
Gloves - Spectral/+6 Dex
Ring - +6 Con redundant put a tod ring w/ +2 cha on it here
Belt - Knosts lorinthors with KotC 3 ravagers otherwise
Cloak - +5 resistance cloak w/ Resistance Ritual
Trinket - bloodstone
Necklace - Torc (unlimited Sp) unlimited sp if you maintain aggro......
Helmet - minos legens
Goggles - Tharnes goggles, +5 SA, true seeing, +15 search, +15 spot.


Strengths .v. Weaknesses
+High DPS good dps. not highest but good
+High saves no just no.....
+Decent UMD when fully geared yes
+High HP my no TR 20 paladin human sat at 517 and was half gimped. fixed he'll be at the same.... you can't call this high hp......



-Sacrifices conventional paladin stuff for DPS (i.e. bulwark of good and the like)
-No evasion
-Low AC
-Heavily clicky based, meaning actual dps will be lower than the caclulated smites/sacrifices do not have an activation time and you don't cast zeal so... clicky?

Dps Calc [color=yellow will post my numbers below[/color]

528.63 With Divine Sacrifice

Average Smite Damage:

Main Hand:440.48

Off Hand:259.21

ok now dps calcs.....

average hit
mainhand
+5 +5.5+7+3.5+2.5 +8+9=40.5 average mainhand.
crit
+5*3+5.5*3+7+11+11+2.5+8*3+9*3=114 average mainhand crit
offhand
+5+5.5+7+3.5+2.5+8+4/5=35.5/36.5
crit
+5*3+5.5*3+7+11+11+2.5+8*3+4/5*3=99/102

average per swing
40.5+35.5*.8+114*.15+99*.15=97.88

divine sacrifice damage
average hit 40.5+31.5=72 (mainhand)
crit (same calcs as avg hit just 4 not 3) so 250.38
offhand 35.5/36.5+31.5=67/68
crit (same as avg just 4not 3) so 132.5

average per sac
72+250.38*.15+67*.8+132.5*.8*.15=179.057

too tired to do smites/actual DPS
his numbers will likely end up lower than they appear.

dammit noticed after doing it that i forgot DM3.... >< oh well they are about 2% or 3% higher then