constant unwanted and often bad advice is almost another form of harrassment!!

[NaturalHazard]

Ok im with a pug raid doing tempest spine, at the start someone asks me about my build, i mention im an elf ranger tempest with a monk splash for ac, using rapiers and weapon finesse. Then on guy just goes on and on at me that i should duel weild kama's. He just wouldnt shut up, no matter how many times i told him with just one monk level its not really worth it, i already have improve crit piercing, and I get racial enhancements with the rapiers. 3/4 of the way through tempest spine hes still going on. and on, and even when we finish hes sending tells. Finally i should of done this a long time ago I put him on ignore.

Later on im in giant hold same thing another player asks me about my build I tell him dex based tempest ranger monk splash. He starts a rant about how my build is useless how I need to either delete and reroll lesser reincarnate at the least. That as a ranger i should of started with a dex of 8, as the best thing about ranger is I dont need the preregs for twf( which i think is true but thats besides the point. that i should of put everything into str and con. And that finally AC is worthless.
Hmmm very good advice, but i wonder how my so seriously gimped charactor was able to out score him 3/1 on the kill count, and why I had to carry his soul stone twice because the poor healer had no sp after spending it all on healing his amazing 500hp + barb @$$ and raising him. Healer asks him hey do you have the healers friend enhancements or items that boost your healing? he answers "no he needs all his enhancement points for dps" healer asks well do you at least carry some repair pots? he answers no I ran out(im sure hes lying here he didnt even bring any!!). I finally ask him hey do you have a fort item? He answers no I dont have a fort item because warforged dont need them!!
It figures.

[MeliCat]

i think it makes some people feel better about themselves if they can tell others how to what they consider 'improve' things. but yeah, in the wrong way it's just harassment.

maybe be a bit more pointed? say point blank to them 'hey look mate, i carefully chose to do things this way and at this stage i'm going with what i'm doing so please don't try to tell me anything else'.

maybe rangers are just a very misunderstood class? i must say i've never played one so i don't know much about them except what i've picked up from partying with them.

easier just to ask people 'hey can do you do this here?' or 'are you happy to do this?' to get an idea of how they want to work in with the party.

team effort and all that...

[AyumiAmakusa]

Just curious but could you tell us what your base stats were at lvl 1, what your muticlass is like, and what do you plan on achieving with your build. Indulge us for a moment.

[Purgatory]

Lol, the other day i was in trade channel looking for a ML 4 longbow keen of maiming...

had some idiot keep sending me tell about how that is a ML6 weapon and I have no idea what im talking about, eeven tho im holding short bow of it at ML4 lol. eventualy i had to squelch him and this special person loged into anouther char just to let me know, THERE No way ill find a ML4 keen longbow maiming im a idiot for even looking......

well i got my bow mr special weapon expert, so eat them apples.....lol


some people i swear. They get to lvl 10 and they think they know everything there is to know and then some and try to spread the knowledge they learned from the game as with there whole 2 weeks of expertise.

[sainy_matthew]

yeah, i generally ignore people who sit around talking build. They all seem to forget that the game is about fun, not an unpayed part time job engineering character builds. Heck i generally find its easier to ignore everybody who's in a Tempest Spine run with you, as they usually have there own head so far up there own ego that they will just give poor advice & think its golden.

[Arkat]

How odd.

No one has EVER told me I should have built my toon this way or that way in game.

I'm not saying my toons have always been über and thus never needed to be corrected because that is certainly not the case. I've made my share of build blunders to be sure.

It's just that no one has ever actually come out and said so. Weird.

[mindlessdrone1991]

How odd.

No one has EVER told me I should have built my toon this way or that way in game.

I'm not saying my toons have always been über and thus never needed to be corrected because that is certainly not the case. I've made my share of build blunders to be sure.

It's just that no one has ever actually come out and said so. Weird.

All your builds are gimp. Reroll IRL.

[Nexx]

Ok im with a pug raid doing tempest spine, at the start someone asks me about you build, i mention im an elf ranger tempest with a monk splash for ac, using rapiers and weapon finesse. Then on guy just goes on and on at me that i should duel weild kama's. He just wouldnt shut up, no matter how many times i told him with just one monk level its not really worth it, i already have improve crit piercing, and I get racial enhancements with the rapiers. 3/4 of the way through tempest spine hes still going on. and on, and even when we finish hes sending tells. Finally i should of done this a long time ago I put him on ignore.

Later on im in giant hold same thing another player asks me about my build I tell him dex based tempest ranger monk splash. He starts a rant about how my build is useless how I need to either delete and reroll lesser reincarnate at the least. That as a ranger i should of started with a dex of 8, as the best thing about ranger is I dont need the preregs for twf( which i think is true but thats besides the point. that i should of put everything into str and con. And that finally AC is worthless.
Hmmm very good advice, but i wonder how my so seriously gimped charactor was able to out score him 3/1 on the kill count, and why I had to carry his soul stone twice because the poor healer had no sp after spending it all on healing his amazing 500hp + barb @$$ and raising him. Healer asks him hey do you have the healers friend enhancements or items that boost your healing? he answers "no he needs all his enhancement points for dps" healer asks well do you at least carry some enhancement pots? he answers no I ran out(im sure hes lying here he didnt even bring any!!). I finally ask him hey do you have a fort item? He answers no I dont have a fort item because warforged dont need them!!
It figures.

I'd say if you don't like someone telling you how you should build your
character, simply send a tell back stating that you
have the right to build your characters the way you see fit.

They have no business telling you to re-roll or how your build
is supposedly useless. More than likely they're just one of those
who think they know every aspect of the game and can impose
their thoughts on others like a ****ing Jedi Master...

Here's some news.. they're no Jedi Master,
only I'm allowed to be one

I'm sorry people are trying to bring you down about your build.
But hell you know, you are on Khyber afterall. Just learn to live
with it, /squelch add <username> really fast, or just ignore it all together.

[unscythe]

Ok im with a pug raid doing tempest spine, at the start someone asks me about you build, i mention im an elf ranger tempest with a monk splash for ac, using rapiers and weapon finesse. Then on guy just goes on and on at me that i should duel weild kama's. He just wouldnt shut up, no matter how many times i told him with just one monk level its not really worth it, i already have improve crit piercing, and I get racial enhancements with the rapiers. 3/4 of the way through tempest spine hes still going on. and on, and even when we finish hes sending tells. Finally i should of done this a long time ago I put him on ignore.

Later on im in giant hold same thing another player asks me about my build I tell him dex based tempest ranger monk splash. He starts a rant about how my build is useless how I need to either delete and reroll lesser reincarnate at the least. That as a ranger i should of started with a dex of 8, as the best thing about ranger is I dont need the preregs for twf( which i think is true but thats besides the point. that i should of put everything into str and con. And that finally AC is worthless.
Hmmm very good advice, but i wonder how my so seriously gimped charactor was able to out score him 3/1 on the kill count, and why I had to carry his soul stone twice because the poor healer had no sp after spending it all on healing his amazing 500hp + barb @$$ and raising him. Healer asks him hey do you have the healers friend enhancements or items that boost your healing? he answers "no he needs all his enhancement points for dps" healer asks well do you at least carry some enhancement pots? he answers no I ran out(im sure hes lying here he didnt even bring any!!). I finally ask him hey do you have a fort item? He answers no I dont have a fort item because warforged dont need them!!
It figures.

Rofl I love the ending. People build what they want, and play what they want.

Kills don't mean much, but deaths do. I would kinda expect a twf to hit last on a mob more often then naught compared to the nerfed barbarian.

[NaturalHazard]

someone asked what my starting stats where? they where 16,18,14,8,12,8 wait 15,17,14,12,8, the first set or stats are after i used +1 tomes. At the moment build is ranger 14, monk 1, fighter 1. Its very similar to the floating leaf build and the build of that guy who soloed vod, Not that im ever going to even think about doing that!! but yeah. Fighter I took kind of by accident i didnt have monk at the time but wanted the extra feat. But i ended up keeping it, i enjoyed the heavy armour mithral or adamite i could wear at early levels before i reached ranger 9 and got evasion, I liked my +10 to hp and haste attack boost i got for 2 ap.

I didnt take rogue, why? because i didnt want to so there. Yes I know how important and useful umd is, being able to use raise scrolls would be huge but I didnt take rogue, Because I didnt want to, yes I realise I would be more effective maybe with a level of rogue but there again I didnt want to take it end of story.

Im enjoying playing my charactor, and yes im finding the ac useful atm im hitting 54 self buffed, be 55 when i get to level 17 and put on my +8 bracers., when, well its more like if I get the icy rainments it will be around 59, get that chattering ring thingy and it will be in the 60's and i think there is some greensteel stuff as well that can boost it even higher. Yes i realise you are going to be hit, but if you can make it so that you get hit as less as possible its a big help. Esp if you get buffs from others like concealment displacement ac buffs it really helps.
Yes I realise my build is not uber but its working for me and im having fun and 99% of people I party with want to party with me again so maybe I might be doing something right?

[NaturalHazard]

yeah kills dont mean much i find that monks always beat people with getting the last hit in. And part of the reason he was so far down was 50% of the time he was dead or incapacitaed. Not only did he have the cleric blowing all his sp on him, he had me and paladin healing him as well. And we were down to wands healing his @$$ then we just said screw this we will just carry you to the shrine. That is one of the most annoying things was getting advice from people like that who didnt know squat about what they where talking about. All he needed was light for item for mod or a mod fort item for heavy fort as he was a warforged. But he knew it all and thought warforged didnt need to wear fort items. Light fort is not going to stop much esp in giant hold.
And the guy going on about the me having to use kama's? he got lost 3 times, maybe because he was so busy telling me how I should play he wasnt paying attention to where he was going. Then he prob was too busy to hear or to see the text when the leader told us to take off our feather fall items he lasted 10 seconds then he was knocked off the mountain. Yes these are really the type of people who should be telling others how to play?

[Sweyn]

Cool story bro

[NaturalHazard]

sad thing is, its not a story.

[blitzschlag]

Ok im with a pug raid doing tempest spine, at the start someone asks me about my build, i mention im an elf ranger tempest with a monk splash for ac, using rapiers and weapon finesse. Then on guy just goes on and on at me that i should duel weild kama's. He just wouldnt shut up, no matter how many times i told him with just one monk level its not really worth it, i already have improve crit piercing, and I get racial enhancements with the rapiers. 3/4 of the way through tempest spine hes still going on. and on, and even when we finish hes sending tells. Finally i should of done this a long time ago I put him on ignore.

Later on im in giant hold same thing another player asks me about my build I tell him dex based tempest ranger monk splash. He starts a rant about how my build is useless how I need to either delete and reroll lesser reincarnate at the least. That as a ranger i should of started with a dex of 8, as the best thing about ranger is I dont need the preregs for twf( which i think is true but thats besides the point. that i should of put everything into str and con. And that finally AC is worthless.
Hmmm very good advice, but i wonder how my so seriously gimped charactor was able to out score him 3/1 on the kill count, and why I had to carry his soul stone twice because the poor healer had no sp after spending it all on healing his amazing 500hp + barb @$$ and raising him. Healer asks him hey do you have the healers friend enhancements or items that boost your healing? he answers "no he needs all his enhancement points for dps" healer asks well do you at least carry some repair pots? he answers no I ran out(im sure hes lying here he didnt even bring any!!). I finally ask him hey do you have a fort item? He answers no I dont have a fort item because warforged dont need them!!
It figures.

just to clear up some confusion (for our fellow newbies):

you need 13 base dex (base + tome) to get dodge which is a prerequisite for tempest. yes, you would get all the dex-required feats class feats even if you'd have 8 dex. but thats a stupid move and would get you some well deserved laugter...

[Quikster]

just to clear up some confusion (for our fellow newbies):

you need 13 base dex (base + tome) to get dodge which is a prerequisite for tempest. yes, you would get all the dex-required feats class feats even if you'd have 8 dex. but thats a stupid move and would get you some well deserved laugter...

Shhhh. Dont tell em things like this, let them figure it out for themselves The lesson sticks better when they have to find the answer instead of copy it off your paper

[Bacab]

I don't think elves should ever be re-rolled...

They should be deleted.

But of course I am racist against elves.

And yeah I find it funny...the people that you end up carrying to shrines or "I R UBER DPS!" are the mana sinks.

Whether its the 6 CON ROG or the no healer's friend noob-zerger WF Barb. Btw GOOD ZERGERS are indeed good.

Tactics/player skill >>>>build or race or gear

But then again...good players fit in healer's friend. Good players put ATLEAST 6 build points into CON.

This last weekend I had a buddy Lorz teaching me "The Pit". Now funny thing is...I can solo VoD and all the Amrath quest on Elite (except bastion...those portals suck). But "The Pit" is a mystery to me. Well anyway we are doing it on H/E for XP on our lowbie toons. This monk joins and proceeds to talk about how uber he is and how touch of death is so great (it is though) but he just brags and brags and brags...well of course at the last fight for completion (not Jubilex) the Trog Fight...he of course lasts 3 seconds and then blames everyone but himself.

Now I am not going to knock his build...but it was the way that guy piked for 30 minutes in there (went afk) and then immediately talks smack when he got back...it was rewarding to watch him die instantly.

So...why is it that peopel tend to brag soo much and try to "help" others when they are clueless. And if you call them out on how clueless they are...they get defensive and deny everything?

Anyway...add those morons to your DNG list and move on.

One thing though...I wish squelching, squelched a WHOLE ACCOUNT...not just one toon.

[wax_on_wax_off]

BL man, seriously though, listen to them then point out how totally wrong they are. Dex based rangers rock and anyone over level 12 who doesn't have a 100% fortification is a douschebag. As a cleric I tell WF point blank that I'm not likely to spend much SP healing them so they better have repair pots or pass me some repair wands or ask the arcane nicely to handle it. (I can use repair wands as my cleric as have 1 wizard level). It matters less at cap as heal will usually do the job but leveling up that was my policy.

I must admit that I regularly give advice to people when I'm pugging whether it's asked for as not but I think I have a fairly informed opinion about things and I can differentiate between "builds that are fun but not optimised", "builds that are optimised" and "reroll". Reroll is usually reserved for starting constitution of <10 or similar mistakes that new players make.

The learning curve in DDO is pretty steep and there is many many new players to the game and people that care about the health of the game do their best to spread a bit of knowledge around. Much better to get squelched by some dumb ass who insists that his 6 constitution wizard is viable than to find yourself partying with him in end game content later.

[nanobot1994]

Odd, almost everyday theres a post describing just this (the OP), but Ive never personally found anyone who told me my build was 'gimp'. Refusing to heal warforged as a cleric is just completely idiotic (unless said warforged has no healers friend at all), or the warforged is an arcane. Also, since you say you can spot 'fun, but not optimized', what would you say your wiz splash on your cleric is? Also, If I'm told you wont heal my warforged in a quest, I would gladly sit back and pike. Im not crazy enough to spend money on excessive pots so I can let you pike.

Plus, if I need advice, Id much rather get it from a person thats been playing for more than a few months (not specifically at you, but at most in the harbor pugs).

OP - Although I cant relate to you, I can imagine it must be very frustrating to hear from a person who's obviously horrible at the game tell you your build is gimp.

[blitzschlag]

As a cleric I tell WF point blank that I'm not likely to spend much SP healing them so they better have repair pots or pass me some repair wands or ask the arcane nicely to handle it. (I can use repair wands as my cleric as have 1 wizard level).

um

I think I have a fairly informed opinion about things

had to lol, sry

[Delt]

BL man, seriously though, listen to them then point out how totally wrong they are. Dex based rangers rock and anyone over level 12 who doesn't have a 100% fortification is a douschebag. As a cleric I tell WF point blank that I'm not likely to spend much SP healing them so they better have repair pots or pass me some repair wands or ask the arcane nicely to handle it. (I can use repair wands as my cleric as have 1 wizard level). It matters less at cap as heal will usually do the job but leveling up that was my policy.

I must admit that I regularly give advice to people when I'm pugging whether it's asked for as not but I think I have a fairly informed opinion about things and I can differentiate between "builds that are fun but not optimised", "builds that are optimised" and "reroll". Reroll is usually reserved for starting constitution of <10 or similar mistakes that new players make.

The learning curve in DDO is pretty steep and there is many many new players to the game and people that care about the health of the game do their best to spread a bit of knowledge around. Much better to get squelched by some dumb ass who insists that his 6 constitution wizard is viable than to find yourself partying with him in end game content later.

**head explodes**