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    Default Assassins gaining 2 APs...what to spend them on?

    Unless I mis-read the Update 6 note (which is entirely possible), it looks like Assassins will be gaining an additional 2 APs. Since we have Rogue Skill: Hide and Rogue Skill: MS as prerequisites and those enhancements are changing from 3 APs to 2, we should pick up two APs.

    I've been perusing the enhancement list and, to be honest, there's not much on there I need or want. But one Enhancement caught my eye: Cheat Death. Yes, Cheat Death, the laughing stock of capstones. The capstone that inspired my first Ghallanda Light thread (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=183090) "Today we salute you, Mr. Cheat Death Developer!"

    I'm sure every pure rogue in the game spec'd out of Cheat Death for Deadly Shadows the instant they logged on after Update 5. But with 2 more APs available, can we get TWO capstones? Nothing in the description states that it's exclusive so it may be possible. The cheating death part is still as horrid as it ever was but I'd take it for the +2 Dex.

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    I was reading somewhere that we would be getting back much more than that when U7 comes along.

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    I'd spend them on ranger sprint boost. Oh wait...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draccus View Post
    I'm sure every pure rogue in the game spec'd out of Cheat Death for Deadly Shadows the instant they logged on after Update 5. But with 2 more APs available, can we get TWO capstones? Nothing in the description states that it's exclusive so it may be possible. The cheating death part is still as horrid as it ever was but I'd take it for the +2 Dex.
    We've cheated you out of Cheat Death, sorry. Capstones are on the same "enhancement channel", so it's one or the other.

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    Ah, that's right. Now I remember how it looked in the Enhancement screen. Thanks Eladrin.

    And, Rocka, you hurt me. You hurt me deep and I don't hurt easily.

    What to do with 2 APs? Maybe I should look into respecing to pick up Subtle Backstabber IV. Seems I keep pulling Suulo agro from Rangers in ToD even though I've already got over 40% threat reduction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draccus View Post
    Ah, that's right. Now I remember how it looked in the Enhancement screen. Thanks Eladrin.

    And, Rocka, you hurt me. You hurt me deep and I don't hurt easily.

    What to do with 2 APs? Maybe I should look into respecing to pick up Subtle Backstabber IV. Seems I keep pulling Suulo agro from Rangers in ToD even though I've already got over 40% threat reduction.
    If you link your build and enhancements, it'd be easier to help. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen your full build...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthios888 View Post
    If you link your build and enhancements, it'd be easier to help. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen your full build...
    Pretty standard assassin stuff. I've never posted my build for fear of people telling me that it's impossible to have as much fun as I'm having with that build

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    Rogue Assassin I, II, III
    Rogue Damage Boost I, II
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    Rogue Haste Boost I, II, III, IV
    Rogue Faster Sneaking I, II, III
    Rogue Hide I, II
    Rogue Move Silently I, II
    Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I, II, III, IV
    Rogue Sneak Attack Training I, II, III, IV
    Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I, II, III
    Drow Melee Attack I, II
    Drow Melee Damage I, II
    Racial Toughness I, II
    Elven Dexterity I

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    Well, You could always pick up some trap skills I guess. Spot never seems to hurt to grab.
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    Rogue Extra Action Boost I?
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    • Change the stack size of filigree in the shared bank to 50. The 5 stack makes the shared bank worthless for storing filigree in a human usable manner.
    • Fixing why I don't connect to the chat server for 5 minutes when I log into a game world.
    • Fixing the wonky Lightning Sphere and Tactical Det firing by converting them to use alchemist spell arcing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZgreentea View Post
    Well, You could always pick up some trap skills I guess. Spot never seems to hurt to grab.
    Thought about that. I'd probably put a point each into Search and Disable. I'm also thinking about Extra Action. Another Haste Boost is always nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eladrin View Post
    We've cheated you out of Cheat Death, sorry. Capstones are on the same "enhancement channel", so it's one or the other.
    Cheat death MIGHT suck a tiny bit less if the first rez had a 100% chance. Might.

    But putting +2 int and +4d6 on the other one? Who'd ever pick cheat death? Hell even an acrobat would rather the deadly shadows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draccus View Post
    Unless I mis-read the Update 6 note (which is entirely possible), it looks like Assassins will be gaining an additional 2 APs.
    Link for these notes, please? I'd like to see that myself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draccus View Post
    Thought about that. I'd probably put a point each into Search and Disable. I'm also thinking about Extra Action. Another Haste Boost is always nice.
    I cant believe you have that available and dont have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoryndar View Post
    Link for these notes, please? I'd like to see that myself...
    See below. He was a bit ambitious about U6. (Can you blame him? the further we go from U5 the better.) It takes a bit of reading comprehension (Took this thread for me to notice. ) but you can see that the 1/2/3/4 = 10 AP thing is becoming 1/1/1/1 = 4 AP.
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    The prerequisites were selected as thematically appropriate, although this does prevent certain multiclass PrE combinations.

    In Update 7, however, class specific skill enhancements will be replaced with "generalized" class skill enhancements. (i.e. "Rogue Hide I" will be replaced with "Improved Hide I".) All prerequisites for enhancements that previously referred to class specific skill enhancements will refer to these general skill enhancements. Improved <skill> I - IV each cost 1 AP, rather than 1/2/3/4. Due to this change, some multiclass Prestige Enhancement combinations will become possible which were previously impossible. You will need to respec your enhancements to take advantage of these changes.

    It's something we've wanted to do for a while.
    Things worthy of Standing Stone going EXTREME PREJUDICE™ on.:
    • Epic and Legendary Mysterious ring upgrades, please.
    • Change the stack size of filigree in the shared bank to 50. The 5 stack makes the shared bank worthless for storing filigree in a human usable manner.
    • Fixing why I don't connect to the chat server for 5 minutes when I log into a game world.
    • Fixing the wonky Lightning Sphere and Tactical Det firing by converting them to use alchemist spell arcing.
    • Redoing the drop rates of tomes in generic and raid loot tables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoryndar View Post
    Link for these notes, please? I'd like to see that myself...
    http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...88#post3155788

    There you go.

    Edit: Oh dear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karl_k0ch View Post
    Edit: Oh dear.
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    Things worthy of Standing Stone going EXTREME PREJUDICE™ on.:
    • Epic and Legendary Mysterious ring upgrades, please.
    • Change the stack size of filigree in the shared bank to 50. The 5 stack makes the shared bank worthless for storing filigree in a human usable manner.
    • Fixing why I don't connect to the chat server for 5 minutes when I log into a game world.
    • Fixing the wonky Lightning Sphere and Tactical Det firing by converting them to use alchemist spell arcing.
    • Redoing the drop rates of tomes in generic and raid loot tables.

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    It sounds like we are all going to be getting major additions to the amount of AP's we receive and that we are able to spend....

    Possible major imbalance issue ahead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoryndar View Post
    It sounds like we are all going to be getting major additions to the amount of AP's we receive and that we are able to spend....

    Possible major imbalance issue ahead?
    Not really. The 2 classes that benefit the most (Monk and Rogue) already have ridiculously tight action point costs. Heck, I’m hoping this gets added to action boosts.
    Things worthy of Standing Stone going EXTREME PREJUDICE™ on.:
    • Epic and Legendary Mysterious ring upgrades, please.
    • Change the stack size of filigree in the shared bank to 50. The 5 stack makes the shared bank worthless for storing filigree in a human usable manner.
    • Fixing why I don't connect to the chat server for 5 minutes when I log into a game world.
    • Fixing the wonky Lightning Sphere and Tactical Det firing by converting them to use alchemist spell arcing.
    • Redoing the drop rates of tomes in generic and raid loot tables.

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    Extra Action Boost
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    i would say you probably have no issues hitting anything so lose the drow melee attack 2 and that would mean you have 4 points and i see alot of options for that where really for 2 points you have no real options. Just a thought.

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