To the last minute before maintenance shroud raid

[Deathdefy]

What happened?

I was the monk too busy d/cing every 10 seconds to understand why the wizard:
1) Greater teleported on the melees surrounding Kasquick as the casters got their mana back
2) Dropped a ddoor on Kasquick's head
3) Attempting to grease the FvS as she was healing in part 5.

[DDOisFree]

Hey.

I were the wizard who was fed up because:

1) People asked for GH in the first part, so being a team player I got distracted from clearing trash to GH them. I wasnt too bothered until the FVS started telling me off for putting GHs on people instead of clearing trash.

2) In the second part, I was waiting to FW the crystal. Some people began killing the bosses too early and while I was waiting in the middle, the Bezreika, and shortly after two others respawned on me while the crystal still had its forcefield up. I had to run away towards the rest of the group so I wouldnt die, and the FVS saw me and started blaming me for not being near the crystal after all the stuff had respawned due to everything not being killed in time.

3) In the first battle with harry, I did what I always do in my shroud runs - put up ottos spheres and mind fogs where the trash spawns to CC them. The FVS began break enchanting the spheres and I had absolutely no idea why or who it was at first. So I simply put up another sphere and fog, and they got broken again, and I realised it was the FVS who was doing that.

4) I wasnt bothered by any of that until that FVS began blaming me entirely for those three problems rather than focusing on where the problems actually were, since I werent completing I decided to memorise grease + dispel and have some fun at least in the last part since the FVS had ****ed me off too much.

Oh, and she was also telling me off for having a tower shield - I were wielding an upgraded deaths touch and skyvault shield (Not even a tower - Im good at using block + tumble to mitigate damage if I need to), and have bracers of the glacier for spell pen VIII, Shionas pendant for sup potency VI, and use elfcrafted robe for arcane focus. I also have major fire + ice lore daggers, but I dont use them too much as blocking + tumbling with the shield is better for saving myself and I am still grinding to get a phoenix regalia and blue dragonscale armor for crit bonuses instead. I really cant take anyone who tells me off for using that shield seriously anymore and I got even more annoyed over that (quite a few people who think they are pro keep telling me off for using a tower shield because of arcane spell failure).

[MeliCat]

Dear DDOisFree, here is some feedback on what you've typed above

Hey.

I were the wizard who was fed up because:

1) People asked for GH in the first part, so being a team player I got distracted from clearing trash to GH them. I wasnt too bothered until the FVS started telling me off for putting GHs on people instead of clearing trash.

Just give it to the person who asks and don't worry about anyone else. If there is a bard in the party don't even do that - the bard will most likely hand it out. A lot of people have like the Amrath GH clickie (and jump clickie for that matter) or a Planner Gird (lucky sods - wish i had one) and can do their own GH. And hey, it's shroud part 1. Who cares?

Hey.
2) In the second part, I was waiting to FW the crystal. Some people began killing the bosses too early and while I was waiting in the middle, the Bezreika, and shortly after two others respawned on me while the crystal still had its forcefield up. I had to run away towards the rest of the group so I wouldnt die, and the FVS saw me and started blaming me for not being near the crystal after all the stuff had respawned due to everything not being killed in time.

Um, you should be putting your FW up BEFORE the forcefield goes down. Two neat fw on either side maxed out. You wait until you hear that everything is just about dead and then you cast them on the outside of the forcefield. They all die and you kill the crystal almost immediately that way. Easy.

Hey.
3) In the first battle with harry, I did what I always do in my shroud runs - put up ottos spheres and mind fogs where the trash spawns to CC them. The FVS began break enchanting the spheres and I had absolutely no idea why or who it was at first. So I simply put up another sphere and fog, and they got broken again, and I realised it was the FVS who was doing that.

A lot of people hate ottos sphere's. And I am not convinced that mind fog works anymore? (too high saves? idk... i never bother). Things like heightened web, cloudkill. The FvS probably got really annoyed with the spheres and I don't blame them. You were were of course casting waves of exhaustion and cloudkill on Harry weren't you?

4) I wasnt bothered by any of that until that FVS began blaming me entirely for those three problems rather than focusing on where the problems actually were, since I werent completing I decided to memorise grease + dispel and have some fun at least in the last part since the FVS had ****ed me off too much.

Um, that's not good. What have you achieved by that except a bad name? A lot of people are going to want to know who you are right now and they will think twice about letting you into their raids. Sure maybe the FvS could have been more diplomatic (idk - i only have your side of the story here) - but if you want to be the better person maybe you could rise above all that silliness, learn and move on?

And if you really want to clear your name I would suggest that you say that you regret greifing the rest of the party like that.

[Boldrin]

Hey.

I were the wizard who was fed up because:

1) People asked for GH in the first part, so being a team player I got distracted from clearing trash to GH them. I wasnt too bothered until the FVS started telling me off for putting GHs on people instead of clearing trash.

2) In the second part, I was waiting to FW the crystal. Some people began killing the bosses too early and while I was waiting in the middle, the Bezreika, and shortly after two others respawned on me while the crystal still had its forcefield up. I had to run away towards the rest of the group so I wouldnt die, and the FVS saw me and started blaming me for not being near the crystal after all the stuff had respawned due to everything not being killed in time.

3) In the first battle with harry, I did what I always do in my shroud runs - put up ottos spheres and mind fogs where the trash spawns to CC them. The FVS began break enchanting the spheres and I had absolutely no idea why or who it was at first. So I simply put up another sphere and fog, and they got broken again, and I realised it was the FVS who was doing that.

4) I wasnt bothered by any of that until that FVS began blaming me entirely for those three problems rather than focusing on where the problems actually were, since I werent completing I decided to memorise grease + dispel and have some fun at least in the last part since the FVS had ****ed me off too much.

Oh, and she was also telling me off for having a tower shield - I were wielding a deaths touch and skyvault shield (Not even a tower - Im good at using block + tumble to mitigate damage if I need to), and have bracers of the glacier for spell pen VIII, Shionas pendant for sup potency VI, and use elfcrafted robe for arcane focus. I also have major fire + ice lore daggers, but I dont use them much as blocking with the shield is better for saving myself and am still grinding to get a phoenix regalia and blue dragonscale armor for crit bonuses instead.

Who is your wizard??? It sounds like you'd be awesome to group with.

[Pyromaniac]

So why did you try to grief the melee with ddoor and not the FvS who annoyed you? Was it the GH? Always annoys me that people can't do their own GH. How hard is it to get a gird...

No sleet storm in the mix?

[MeliCat]

So why did you try to grief the melee with ddoor and not the FvS who annoyed you? Was it the GH? Always annoys me that people can't do their own GH. How hard is it to get a gird...

No sleet storm in the mix?

it's LOTS hard to get a gird!!!!

i haven't got one

/pouts

[pSINNa]

What happened?

I was the monk too busy d/cing every 10 seconds to understand why the wizard:
1) Greater teleported on the melees surrounding Kasquick as the casters got their mana back
2) Dropped a ddoor on Kasquick's head
3) Attempting to grease the FvS as she was healing in part 5.

Wow, that's some kind of shroud you fella's had there.

If that was a 'server about to shut down' shroud, i'd say quite a few people would have been kind of upset by all that.

I'd imagine that racing the clock may have been responsible for making the fvs a little tetchy, and to be honest, if you'd really been upset by the couple of nasty comments from that player, you really would of been much better off holding your water till the end, then making a note of the players name for your 'do not group with' list.

Griefing may provide a little very short term satisfaction, but will also usually provide some very long term consequences for you. That's a real problem if you're going to be playing this game for any decent length of time.

The only place in which that style of griefing could even remotely be tolerated would be in a run with your guildies, and even then, only if it was 'one of those' runs on a drunken Friday raid night or some other such guild opportunity for a bit of silly fun amongst friends.

People in this game seem to make a habit of 'never forget, never forgive', which while a bit harsh, is something you need to take into consideration before indulging in any expression of temper or frustration.

Just my two cents, but i'll think you'll find yourself wishing it hadn't gone quite the way it did eventually.

Coit out~

[Pyromaniac]

it's LOTS hard to get a gird!!!!

i haven't got one

/pouts

under Auction House, Belts. Mine were about 2 mill gp each.

or just setup a farming group, takes about 1-2 hours if you're fortunate.

[Mithran]

When you get upset by the criticisms you're hearing over Voice Chat, try to take a deep breath and consider if the criticisms might help.

The advice given here to put up the Firewalls early is good. Use your right mouse button and target with the small white circle that appears. Put several Firewalls on the Crystal.

Once you know you're responsible for this duty, go ahead to the center and clear any mobs that are there so you know your placement of the Firewalls won't be interrupted by melee attacks on you.

As far as the requests for Greater Heroism go, I'd recommend you ignore them.

[DDOisFree]

[QUOTE=MeliCat;3165668]Dear DDOisFree, here is some feedback on what you've typed above

Just give it to the person who asks and don't worry about anyone else. If there is a bard in the party don't even do that - the bard will most likely hand it out. A lot of people have like the Amrath GH clickie (and jump clickie for that matter) or a Planner Gird (lucky sods - wish i had one) and can do their own GH. And hey, it's shroud part 1. Who cares?

Yea, normally I have a bard in the group, but here I were the only caster and thought I had to pass out GHs too. I'll know not to next time.

Um, you should be putting your FW up BEFORE the forcefield goes down. Two neat fw on either side maxed out. You wait until you hear that everything is just about dead and then you cast them on the outside of the forcefield. They all die and you kill the crystal almost immediately that way. Easy.

I know that. Three bosses were killed too early while the others werent prepped. I put up FW as soon as I hear that everythin is prepped,but three bosses died and people were screaming 'dont kill, dont kill, dont kill' over voice chat. IThe forcefield wouldnt have gone down at all because all the bosses werent prepped.

A lot of people hate ottos sphere's. And I am not convinced that mind fog works anymore? (too high saves? idk... i never bother). Things like heightened web, cloudkill. The FvS probably got really annoyed with the spheres and I don't blame them. You were were of course casting waves of exhaustion and cloudkill on Harry weren't you?

I were using Waves of Exhasion yes, I have done shroud about 10 times and know what do do for the most part. Ottos spheres does work on the trash when fighting harry, Ive used it in 10+ runs up to now and no ones ever complained before.

Um, that's not good. What have you achieved by that except a bad name? A lot of people are going to want to know who you are right now and they will think twice about letting you into their raids. Sure maybe the FvS could have been more diplomatic (idk - i only have your side of the story here) - but if you want to be the better person maybe you could rise above all that silliness, learn and move on?

Oh, I couldnt care less, Ive been playing shroud and other raids everyday for the last week or two in pugs, plenty of people enjoy playing with me, this was just a bad pug and people wouldnt stop blaming me for others mistakes.

=

The advice given here to put up the Firewalls early is good. Use your right mouse button and target with the small white circle that appears. Put several Firewalls on the Crystal.

I is good advice and I already know that, but quite simply the bosses werent all prepped, I were aware of that, and the forcefield didnt go down at all while the bosses that were killed too early respawned.

[MeliCat]

Oh, I couldnt care less, Ive been playing shroud and other raids everyday for the last week or two in pugs, plenty of people enjoy playing with me, this was just a bad pug and people wouldnt stop blaming me for others mistakes.

It's a team effort - you upset the rest of the group because 1 person upset you. Why?


Deathdefy please PM name.

[sugrcain]

#3.... ugh, mass hold monster so much nicer

[MeliCat]

#3.... ugh, mass hold monster so much nicer

true mine are sucky and rarely hit. bleh. but autocrit ftw def!

[Chris79]

I think this almost qualifies as Khyber drama. Now, if we could just get the FvS into this topic, the rest of us can just sit back and chant 'Jerry, Jerry, Jerry'

[MeliCat]

under Auction House, Belts. Mine were about 2 mill gp each.

or just setup a farming group, takes about 1-2 hours if you're fortunate.

i hate shopping and on the couple of times i did rembmer to look on the AH none were there.

farm yes.... dual box with hirelings would probably work... be easier with a friend i guess. we kinda farmed when one TR was running it x lots. i was the only one who didn't get one

another little task for my hols... i have so many projects on the go atm

[rodallec]

To the wizard
THAT IS HILARIOUS
you could be in our guild

sleetstorm wouldnt of worked cos everyone had fom right?

maybe you should of hit the altar as soon as harry died and not said anything.
im to scared to do that but its so funny

[DDOisFree]

It's a team effort - you upset the rest of the group because 1 person upset you. Why?

Indeed it is a team effort, so why would anyone use break enchant on my ottos sphere when it was working great in there? The only reason I picked up the idea of using grease in that round is because my spells were being removed, I have no problem with criticism or anything like that, but I decided that the group want making a team effort anyway when break enchant began being used on my CCs.

[Mithran]

Indeed it is a team effort, so why would anyone use break enchant of my ottos sphere when it was working great in there?

Players would use Break Enchantment in a Shroud run because its demand on graphics resources can make players' interfaces lag. That's why you'll rarely see it cast, there.

[Ellistran]

I thought this was a khyberr thread GD waste of my time reading this hopeing for some of these monkeys to start throwing poo around the forums redtubes down nothing to do stupid patch

Edit nvm it is Kyhber im back in

[MeliCat]

Indeed it is a team effort, so why would anyone use break enchant of my ottos sphere when it was working great in there? The only reason I picked up the idea of using grease in that round is because my spells were being removed, I have no problem with criticism or anything like that, but I decided that the group want making a team effort anyway when break enchant began being used on my CCs.

it has long been believed that Ottos spheres contribute to the already very laggy lag in there. please do not use them.

as has been suggested please use mass hold if you have it.

it is disappointing that someone did not explain to you why they were using break enchantment - or that you did not hear or understand that that Ottos Spheres were definitely not wanted - but that still does not excuse what you did.

what you did annoyed the rest of the party. do you understand that they are rightlfully upset with you?

just because someone else did something wrong to you, does not mean that you doing something wrong to 11 other people is going to make the situation better.


but for all that... thank you for your contribution to this server's drama quotient.