WF 18Wiz/2Rog Pale Master + Traps/UMD

[Resilian]

Not sure if I've seen any builds that incorporate WF + PM + Traps so I decided to make one. How does this look?

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Pale Robot Rogue
Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male
(2 Rogue \ 18 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 226
Spell Points: 1546 
BAB: 10\10\15\20
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 17
Will: 10

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             10                 10                   10
Dexterity            10                 10                   10
Constitution         16                 16                   16
Intelligence         18                 23                   26
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma             10                 10                   10

                  Starting            Ending          
                 Base Skills        Base Skills       
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
Balance               4                  4            
Bluff                 0                  0            
Concentration         5                 27            
Diplomacy             3                  3            
Disable Device        8                 31            
Haggle                4                  4            
Heal                 -1                 -1            
Hide                  4                  4            
Intimidate            0                  0            
Jump                  4                  4            
Listen               -1                 -1            
Move Silently         4                  4            
Open Lock             4                  5            
Perform               n/a               n/a           
Repair                4                  9            
Search                8                 31            
Spot                  3                 10            
Swim                  0                  0            
Tumble                1                  1            
Use Magic Device      4                 22            

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes


Level 2 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell


Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT


Level 5 (Wizard)


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Necromancy


Level 7 (Wizard)


Level 8 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration


Level 10 (Wizard)


Level 11 (Wizard)


Level 12 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration


Level 13 (Wizard)


Level 14 (Wizard)


Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell


Level 16 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT


Level 17 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness


Level 19 (Wizard)


Level 20 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Heightening I
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements II
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements II
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation II
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation III
Enhancement: Wizard Force Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Force Manipulation II
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar IV
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence III
Enhancement: Wizard Wand Mastery I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor I
Enhancement: Shroud of the Lich
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master I
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master II
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master III
Enhancement: Summon Blackbone Archer
Enhancement: Summon Frostmarrow Archer
Enhancement: Summon Skeleton Archer
Enhancement: Summon Blackbone Knight
Enhancement: Summon Frostmarrow Knight
Enhancement: Summon Skeletal Knight
Enhancement: Summon Blackbone Mage
Enhancement: Summon Frostmarrow Mage
Enhancement: Summon Skeletal Mage
Enhancement: Shroud of the Wraith

Level 18 feat: Can sub in Augment Summoning, SF:UMD, SFD, or another Metamagic here..I personally will probably use Augment Summoning.

Traps/UMD/Self Heals/Pale Master summons/Wraith+Lich Forms..I think it'd do well. I'm not 100% on the enhancements..I'm never really good at those.

[Resilian]

Was this a "not again" post, or do people just not have an opinion?

[Nevthial]

I'm a fan of Wiz 18 / Rog 2's , in their various incarnations. My only advice is to drop Spot in favor of Balance ( most traps are static anyways) , and dump Imp. Mental Toughness for Quicken.

[Phidius]

I agree with swapping Imp Mental Toughness for Quicken. You might be able to use the Pale Master negative energy healing in lower level quests where you're not really in much danger, but when you're getting pounded hard you're going to want uninterruptable burst healing.

I'm rather torn between Spot and Balance, actually - Spot tends to get used more often (traps and sneaking mobs), but Balance has a bigger impact the few times its needed.

I'd be more in favor of completely dumping Dex/Charisma/Wisdom in favor of more Strength, but that's just because I'm a melee junkie. Gotta get my fix on every build I play

[Resilian]

I personally was going to take Augment Summoning at 18, but you say Quicken would be better overall? I may take that then instead. Fast reconstructs definitely sound useful lol.

[Garu]

I find this build appealing and am considering giving something like it a try. However, I'm a big fan of summons, so if I were to move Augment Summoning earlier, which feat would be the best choice to push further back?

[titans4ever]

Some questions:

Why take mental toughness so late? Is it not more helpful for lower level Wiz to have more spell points when buffs don't last as long? When you get to level 6-8, displacement and haste only last a min extended. Don't you need those spell points to keep everything buffed. I took it early on mine toon like this and still find myself wand healing to save spell points.

Why take insightful reflexes at level 1? I took it at level 9, right when taking the second level of rogue. That way I can get the max use out of evasion now that I have it. Moving it to 9 free up an early feat for mental toughness or augment summons early on.


Won't augment summoning help early on. Getting that early +4 to stats for hirelings, summoned animals, and your skeletons seems a lot more beneficial early on. If you are running solo you hit a huge gap between level 3 and 8 for WF hirelings. Frenzy (level 3 WF barb hireling) can sure use those stat bonuses around level 6-7 so you don't waste a ton of wands or spell points keeping him healed.

I may swap out augment summoning but it sure makes life easier till I got to level 8 and got a new WF hireling.

[Dunfalach]

I personally took Augment Summoning at level 1, and then began working on Pale Master required feats. The dog stays surprisingly resilient for a few levels with augment summoning. I suddenly find the level 4 spider useful with augment.

To the person who recommended not taking Mental Toughness, it's possibly the person creating the build is taking it in order to get Wraith form at wizard level 12. If memory serves, Lich Form requires Toughness and Wraith Form requires Mental Toughness.

[thecreechmmo]

If I only had Drow as a race option, would anyone still suggest the Wizard Force Manipulation II enhancement line or should I take something else?

Thanks in advance.

-theCreecH

[Krumm]

few thoughts,

if you want to max out every little skill point possible,

Eat +1 int tome at level 3
Eat +2 int tome at level 7
take 2nd rogue level at 16 (when u get the final +1 int level up point)

taking rogue at level 9 or 11 is much easier but if you want every last skill point, this is the way to max it.


Also,
Max Disarm, Search, Concentrate & UMD. Other skills are really up to you. Balance, lockpick, and even Spot can be very usefull but not 100% necessary depending on your play style.

As for stats, max Int and have at least 14 con. If you are not going max your con (to 18 or 20) then I recommend dumping points in 1 stat, like str or cha, instead of spreading it around. Str if you want to melee a bit or cha for better UMD/cha skills.

absolutely necessary feats are
Max, emp, ext (some argue this one), heighten, insightful reflex

quicken is very nice but some people play fine without. It really depends on your playstyle.
if you want to do some epic content, you'll probably want spell penetration feats and/or Sf/GSF enchant


just my 2 cent.

[ddoer]

why the build need UMD for this build? it's ok to put skill points to UMD, but neither WF nor PM need to get UMD 39. UMD is a must for fleshy wizard, imho, but it is just too costly and not worthwhile to get for WF or PM to get.