Cleric with 8 wisdom?!

[Deified]

I would sooner build a FvS around this concept ... high CHA, adaquate sp pool (based on cha) supporting the cha skill of intimidate ...

The only benefit a cleric recieves over a favored soul is the Radiant Servant PrE. Assuming a high enough AC (17 Clr/2 Mnk/1 Rog or Ftr can obtain this relatively reliably), Radiant Servant would enable a cleric to maintain some healing, ignore all grazing hits, and so forth. I do have an intimicleric who works out rather well, though she's sorely hurting for some Icy Raiments at this point.

The quick answer is, "No. 8 Wisdom on a cleric, even with an intimitank role, is not suggested. Splash monk instead."

[wax_on_wax_off]

I am not sure why not fvs either. My guess is the player does not have fvs unlocked. The FVS seems like a better class for this concept of dumping wisdom and yet having a decent charisma.

Intimitank cleric with RSII pushing out 20/tick healing for everyone > FvS intimitank. Imo.

This was the the inspiration anyway after doing some shield blocking with my regular old arcane archer cleric.

[wax_on_wax_off]

I am still wondering why only 8 Wisdom? How is it so stat thinned that he's planing on about a 1300sp pool for an intimidating cleric at lvl 20 ... level 2 his sp will be 144 even with drinking owls constanty - owls goes away with shrining too btw.

I would sooner build a FvS around this concept ... high CHA, adaquate sp pool (based on cha) supporting the cha skill of intimidate ...

You most definately do not need all the bloody cleric spells which rely on a casting DC (wisdom) if you're going to dumpstat wisdom... thus FvS geared up well for ac, great saves, possibly DR, resists. they have more HP and options to tweak toss on maybe a 2 lvl splash in rogue to evade and open up the skill has a decent CHA should suffice as great base for a divine intimidator.

Intimitank radiant servant cleric with 1-3 levels splashed would need good con and cha for HP and intimidate. 12 intelligence is needed for skill points and combat expertise. Strength and Dexterity are optional but are good for dwarf AC in armour and also hitting stuff.

A dwarf with 14 starting dexterity could get up to useful AC geared out. With full line of shield mastery feats and enhancements and Lorikk's or Levik's shield blocking DR would be 39/- which is pretty formidable.

So I worry from feedback that I've had that an intimitank of this style with wisdom as the primary stat (dumping strength) wouldn't have enough HP or intimidate necessarily to be viable at tanking.

[Battlehawke]

13 cleric/6 defender Pally/1 rogue would be a pretty nasty intim.

Rogue just for the points to max intim.... Not evasion, because you want this guy geared up in heavy metal..... not to mention the hate aggro you get for the 6 pally, especially if you go WF for the extra hate......

Probably not what you want to hear.....

Battlehawke

[Xyphos3]

13 cleric/6 defender Pally/1 rogue would be a pretty nasty intim.

He'll need 17 Cleric to access Lv9 spells;
Specifically: Mass Heal, True Resurection, Hazarou.

Mass Heal, tho a bit slow is great for healing the masses with little SP expended.
True Res, is a 1-shot res with no extra healing, again a good SP saver
Hazarou, THE best pet summon in game (when applicable)

[NaturalHazard]

hes going to be fun to party with at lower levels lol.

[phalaeo]

Intimitank cleric with RSII pushing out 20/tick healing for everyone > FvS intimitank. Imo.

This was the the inspiration anyway after doing some shield blocking with my regular old arcane archer cleric.

JSYK, my 18 CLR/2 MNK only does 16 a tick with all enhancements.
She's a **** good healer, but the Aura is noticeably less than a 20 CLR's.

[samho]

JSYK, my 18 CLR/2 MNK only does 16 a tick with all enhancements.
She's a **** good healer, but the Aura is noticeably less than a 20 CLR's.

Nope. My CLR20 has the same aura as my CLR18/FTR2, at least at the moment. You might want to check out if the gear / clicky setup on your CLR18/MNK2 is inferior to others.

[EDIT for reference] With Superior Ardor IV/VIII on, aura from both cleric (CLR20 , CLR18/FTR2) does 19 non-critical tick, 17 with regular Superior Potency (before any healing amp make effect). So you could try to give superior ardor clicky a shot.

[wax_on_wax_off]

JSYK, my 18 CLR/2 MNK only does 16 a tick with all enhancements.
She's a **** good healer, but the Aura is noticeably less than a 20 CLR's.

Yeah my 18 cleric does 17/tick, haha 1 better than you

I think if I did this build I would actually reverse what I've said here and go wisdom based and dump strength. Makes it a pain to wear heavy armour but there it is. I'd only have 1 fighter level to access highest healing aura tier but I could get all the necessary feats. Being wisdom based means the character is fine to heal a whole party or intimidate or both. Or possibly intimitank sully and keep myself up (that leaves 11 to take care of trash mobs).

Something I can see about this build that I like is that it would probably be an ideal raid saver. If the whole party wiped you could literally shield block in a corner and true res the whole party while keeping the aggro of the mobs. Now isn't that a romantic thought?

I think when this build would be most viable/absolutely rocking is when the Dwarven Defender PrE is released. Does anyone have an ETA on that? Update 6? 7? I'm quite tempted to make the build just in anticipation.

Starting stats would then be 8 str, 14 dex, 16 con, 12 int, 16 wis, 12 cha. 34 or 36 points would be nice to have a higher starting strength but there it is. I've leveled an 8 strength cleric to cap and it isn't fun at low levels, ray of enfeeblement > me. This would actually be a reasonable character to TR into.

[wax_on_wax_off]

Nope. My CLR20 has the same aura as my CLR18/FTR2, at least at the moment. You might want to check out if the gear / clicky setup on your CLR18/MNK2 is inferior to others.

[EDIT for reference] With Superior Ardor IV/VIII on, aura from both cleric (CLR20 , CLR18/FTR2) does 19 non-critical tick, 17 with regular Superior Potency (before any healing amp make effect). So you could try to give superior ardor clicky a shot.

Yeah when I use superior ardor VI clicky i go up to 19 or 20/tick as an 18 cleric. (22 on myself with 20% healing amp, 45 on myself with critical).
A few points:
-superior 3 minute clickies give 75% bonus instead of the 50% stated in the text
-healing aura is a level 4 spell afaik
-healing aura is not implemented WAI and isn't affected by RS bonus to caster levels, current max healing aura is level 18 (will be 21 when WAI).

[IronClan]

Starting stats would then be 8 str, 14 dex, 16 con, 12 int, 16 wis, 12 cha. 34 or 36 points would be nice to have a higher starting strength but there it is. I've leveled an 8 strength cleric to cap and it isn't fun at low levels, ray of enfeeblement > me. This would actually be a reasonable character to TR into.

My STR dump stat Wizzie can't loot a set of Full plate without getting a hernia and walking around hunched over with his hand on his back for a week...

Seriously? clicking the "loot all" button is highly sketchy and usually ill advised

[joaofalcao]

Intimitank cleric? o.o Boy, What am I missing? How that can be good at all?

Either one or more than one of those below:

Your intimidate will be low.
Your AC will de low.
Your DR will be low.

Clerics dont have many feats. You wont be able to get many important feats to an intimidater, like shield blocking feats, AC feats, intimidate feats, etc.

Why cleric? To heal thyself? Will your concentration be high enough not to dispel your heals? Because you ll surely get hit more often than a fighter or pally. And will have less DR.

8 wis? That makes:

Uneffective offensive spells
Low mana
No rune pressing, lol


I am not sure why intimitank cleric.. If its for the heals, forget it. May work on low lvl mobs, but once you reach lvl 10, you ll get disapointed.

Go for a fighter. If you cant trust your party´s cleric, youre doomed already. You wont be able to heal and shieldblock the demonqueen at same time. Not to say you wont reach the AC needed.

If its for the fun and you dont care about numbers, have fun.