True res, DDO Store points, and you!

[Jawny_Carcinogen]

Before anyone points out that this doesn't need to be said as it's common sense, I only wish that were the case, it needs to be said.


Are you level 20? Does epic content intimidate you enough that it seems like a good idea to buy a True Heart of Wood from the ddo store so that you don't have to collect 20 whole epic tokens?

You're not ready, keep practicing, TR later, you won't regret the delay.

[Jawny_Carcinogen]

Lol ok, I'll be fair, I bought my first TR heart from the store.

I also wasn't ready. :-D

[dunklezhan]

Before anyone points out that this doesn't need to be said as it's common sense, I only wish that were the case, it needs to be said.


Are you level 20? Does epic content intimidate you enough that it seems like a good idea to buy a True Heart of Wood from the ddo store so that you don't have to collect 20 whole epic tokens?

You're not ready, keep practicing, TR later, you won't regret the delay.

I don't understand.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't understand! This is because although I have been playing for what, 7 months now, I don't have a character over L13 due to being in a v-e-r-y small guild with no more than 2 or 3 of us on at once, a general dislike of PuGging and an understanding that levels 10-20 are going to be very sparse in terms of content, and running the same quests over and over just to level really isn't appealing.

I'll get there eventually (I see no rush), but I have never enjoyed end game in any MMO I've played - I just don't get the point of it. No character advancement, no point, in terms of me enjoying myself. I hate grinding gear because generally you aren't experiencing anything new when you do that, and that's dull. This seems to be something that will be parrticularly true in DDO - I don't get the appeal of playing Durk's Got A Secret on Epic. I mean, why are these Kobolds suddenly so hard to kill? What's that about? Why haven't they taken over Stormreach yet? Nope. Don't get it. If Epic mode suddenly changed the foes you were facing that would be entirely different. But from what I hear (which I accept could be wrong), its just the same content with the saving throws, damage output and hit points turned to max. Seems lazy to me.

So my plan was indeed to get to 20, get a true res and level through again with a slightly more powerful character (and thus a slightly different experience, particularly if I choose a different class or build).

In what way will I not be ready to TR when I get to 20? is it the lack of experience (which surely I'll get as I level back up again?), or is it something else? have I misunderstood something about what Epic content will be like?

[Jawny_Carcinogen]

It is indeed the lack of experience. People see the wings around your name and expect you to not only know what you're doing, but have a better idea than the next guy.

It has nothing to do with running epic content specificly, but epic content really isn't all that difficult, it just requires more tactic, preparedness, teamwork, or some mixture of the three. Noone inexperienced enough to be intimidated by having to run 20 epic quests for tokens should be worrying about TRing yet.

It was originally intended to mean something.

[AyumiAmakusa]

Don't buy the heart from the store. It's not worth it. Epic may seem intimidating but all the monsters are just level 35+ - 40+ or so. In fact there are some epic quests that are easy for you to farm for tokens/fragments. I'm in the process of farming for them and will TR when I get enough. In the meantime you could also start farming for crafting items/named items etc.

There's a lot to do before you TR (such as preparing stuff for your next life). Patience is a virtue.

EDIT: Yeah, I re-read the OP and my post seems a little off. Anyway, my post is aimed at people who want to buy a TR heart of wood. Seriously don't.

[Bacab]

I concur 100%.

Many people "hit the button" before they are ready.

[knightgf]

Don't buy the heart from the store. It's not worth it. Epic may seem intimidating but all the monsters are just level 35+ - 40+ or so. In fact there are some epic quests that are easy for you to farm for tokens/fragments. I'm in the process of farming for them and will TR when I get enough. In the meantime you could also start farming for crafting items/named items etc.

There's a lot to do before you TR (such as preparing stuff for your next life). Patience is a virtue.

EDIT: Yeah, I re-read the OP and my post seems a little off. Anyway, my post is aimed at people who want to buy a TR heart of wood. Seriously don't.

I'm too intimidated to run epic, it's like I need someone to hold my hand doing it.

Oh, and did I ever tell you that epic is NOT easy? It's not for casual players. Definitely not.

[Geonis]

Before anyone points out that this doesn't need to be said as it's common sense, I only wish that were the case, it needs to be said.


Are you level 20? Does epic content intimidate you enough that it seems like a good idea to buy a True Heart of Wood from the ddo store so that you don't have to collect 20 whole epic tokens?

You're not ready, keep practicing, TR later, you won't regret the delay.

Another "Play my Way!!!!" thread FTL.

The op is just another example of the incredible arrogance that these D&D nerds have.
This forum is completely full of elite 20 sided dice chuckers who know everything way better than you do.

You didn't want to grind out epic tokens to TR? That means that you are not as good at this game as the thread starter, and he's here to tell you how to play the game that you pay for.

Don't take out your feelings of inadequacy on "20 sided dice chuckers" (of which I happen to be one).

[AyumiAmakusa]

I'm too intimidated to run epic, it's like I need someone to hold my hand doing it.

Oh, and did I ever tell you that epic is NOT easy? It's not for casual players. Definitely not.

Depends on how you approach Epics. There are the Virtuoso Bard runners, the Wizard/Sorceror Mass Hold Person Heavy Pick runners, and more other types of runners. Epic content can be easy if you have the right group.

P.S. I'm not looking for a 'fun and challenging' time doing epics. I'm just farming for tokens/fragments/scrolls so i'm fine with doing it 'the easy/coward way'.

[harold2560]

It is indeed the lack of experience. People see the wings around your name and expect you to not only know what you're doing, but have a better idea than the next guy.

And therein lies the mistake. Expecting anything from someone just because they have wings on their name is a setup for disappointment.

Some people just enjoy leveling toons, if that makes them happy, i hope they buy a million true hearts and keep paying turbines rent.

Personally, I wont TR a toon till it has a pretty good amount a gear, and maybe a +3 tome or two. Specifically stuff that you can use in the middish levels like 10-14... greensteel, hound vod gear, abbot gear etc. I think its fun when you level a TR and your rewarded when you level not just by getting feats/abilities, But by putting on that uber peice of gear that you had to grind for before and didnt get till cap, and now can wear at min level.

To each their own....

[Potvin]

Did someone say something about level 20's learning new things?

[Oathbound]

This reads just like every "Hardcore raider" vs. "Casual leveler" thread I've read in every MMO i have ever played.

Being casual doesn't make you bad. But its a strong indication that you might be.

[thoryndar]

Seeing that a few of my guildmates are currently running through their 3rd TR at the moment, I figured this would be a valid place to post this:

They waited.

I can only speak for one member of the 3 who TR'ed, but he made sure he had his greensteel items done, his raid completions done, and that his build was solid before becoming tree food. I have a feeling the other 2 members did something similar.

I was thinking of TRing my capped pally for a while, as this TR was planned out at least a month ahead of time, but decided to just level another toon instead as they re-ran through the grind and reflagging. The main reason for that was so when the rest of the guild was running raids, I would be able to join them.

I'm glad / waited.

Those hearts are always going to be there.

[flynnjsw]

This reads just like every "Hardcore raider" vs. "Casual leveler" thread I've read in every MMO i have ever played.

Being casual doesn't make you bad. But its a strong indication that you might be.

Where in the world did you draw this entirely wrong assumption from? Being casual typically equates to not having the time required to be a "hardcore" gamer and nothing more.

[flynnjsw]

The op is just another example of the incredible arrogance that these D&D nerds have.
This forum is completely full of elite 20 sided dice chuckers who know everything way better than you do.

You didn't want to grind out epic tokens to TR? That means that you are not as good at this game as the thread starter, and he's here to tell you how to play the game that you pay for.

I am sorry, but your post comes across as no less arrogant than anyone elses. it all comes down to wanting to take someone elses advice or not; if you don't like someone's advice then don't take it.

I am a D&D nerd/D20 chucker as you want to call us, and am not telling ANYONE how to play the game.

[jwdaniels]

It's personal preference as to whether or not you'd rather spend time or money for the heart - nothing more or less. As far as being "ready" I'm not sure I get what the OP is talking about. How does grinding epic make you any more or less ready to TR? As far as gear goes, you can certainly twink out a character without grinding multiple shroud runs - will you have uber end game loot? No, but do you really need that to get to level 20 as a TR? You didn't need it to get there the first time.

As far as a general understanding of the game and how it's different from PnP and other MMOs, that usually comes from getting your first half dozen or so characters to level 10ish and then re-rolling.

[grodon9999]

I get his point though about people TRing who don't know *** they are doing. I'm sure we've all encountered people with wings who were clueless. It's pretty easy to level up to 20 with a pretty useless toon (I know, I've done it).

Maybe grinding 20 Epic tokens might not be the best benchmark to determine you are ready, some people just don't like epic. But TRing the second you hit 20 on your first toon is a horrible idea.

I know some people TR to correct bad characters, but to me it makes more sense to GR (stand for Gimp Removal as well as Greater Reincarnation) this toon into something useful and get your 20 raids in before TRing.

Again, your mileage may vary.

[herzkos]

It's personal preference as to whether or not you'd rather spend time or money for the heart - nothing more or less. As far as being "ready" I'm not sure I get what the OP is talking about. How does grinding epic make you any more or less ready to TR? As far as gear goes, you can certainly twink out a character without grinding multiple shroud runs - will you have uber end game loot? No, but do you really need that to get to level 20 as a TR? You didn't need it to get there the first time.

As far as a general understanding of the game and how it's different from PnP and other MMOs, that usually comes from getting your first half dozen or so characters to level 10ish and then re-rolling.

agree wholeheartedly.
especially with the second paragraph.

[Maxallu]

I am sorry, but your post comes across as no less arrogant than anyone elses. it all comes down to wanting to take someone elses advice or not; if you don't like someone's advice then don't take it.

I am a D&D nerd/D20 chucker as you want to call us, and am not telling ANYONE how to play the game.

Have you read these forums? I'm sure you have since you have 1000+ posts. Seriously dude, this place is loaded with arrogance. Every other thread is about some player who was not up to the thread starters standards or detailed instructions letting people know exactly the correct way to play the game. I'm not sure I have seen anything like it before, but it should not be that surprising really, D&D nerds have spent decades earning their reputations.