True res, DDO Store points, and you!

[Thriand]

Seeing that a few of my guildmates are currently running through their 3rd TR at the moment, I figured this would be a valid place to post this:

Oh yeah, well seeing as one of my guildmates is on his 9th incarnation I'm even more qualified to tell other people how to play the game.

[tman]

To me it comes down to cost vs. benefit, time vs. money. It will be different for everyone, therefore we won't agree here.

I personally disagree with the OP. I have bought my THoW on my 2 toons that have TR'd. I've also run a fair amount of EPIC content, around 60 tokens and 10 raid tokens gathered to date. I would consider myself a casual power gamer who plays 5-10 hours a week, but over the last 4+years. Right now I would rather use my tokens to augment my EPIC gear than for THoWs. Throwing a few dollars down for a THoW isn't that big a deal for me.

I'd say if you want to buy the THoW, go for it. If you want to grind out the tokens, that is cool too. The cost/benefit will be different for every player. Some will value the grind of tokens more than the microtransaction (OP), others like me will value the convenance of buying one from the store. The value of each will depend on your circumstances.

Tman/Tomo

[tman]

Oh yeah, well seeing as one of my guildmates is on his 9th incarnation I'm even more qualified to tell other people how to play the game.

You have to admit he already had the gear/experience of a "God".

He was definately "ready" to TR, now on his 9th incarnation.

Tman/Tomo

[flynnjsw]

This reads just like every "Hardcore raider" vs. "Casual leveler" thread I've read in every MMO i have ever played.

Being casual doesn't make you bad. But its a strong indication that you might be.

Where in the world did you draw this entirely wrong assumption from? Being casual typically equates to not having the time required to be a "hardcore" gamer and nothing more.

[Potvin]

Oh yeah, well seeing as one of my guildmates is on his 9th incarnation I'm even more qualified to tell other people how to play the game.

Seeing as I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night...

[Maxallu]

Seeing as I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night...

[Jawny_Carcinogen]

Before anyone points out that this doesn't need to be said as it's common sense, I only wish that were the case, it needs to be said.


Are you level 20? ------> ***(((Does epic content intimidate you enough that)))*** <------- it seems like a good idea to buy a True Heart of Wood from the ddo store so that you don't have to collect 20 whole epic tokens?

You're not ready, keep practicing, TR later, you won't regret the delay.

I see alot of people very offended due to thier different, understandable, reasons why they may have decided to buy a TR heart, but the important part here is to read all the words rather than just some or most of them.

If you'd rather pay RL money than something you can attain in a game you're playing anyways, feel free, the option is there. But if your level experience is such that endgame content is scary, you probably want to practice a bit first.

I might add I find it amusing that with the exception of maxallu, who has something hostile to say on just about any subject from what I've seen, everyone who's posted thier offended disagreement has been a veteran who's already TRd once if not more, and is/was ready to do so by anyone's standards lol.

I know everyone likes a good excuse to get thier panties knotted, but cmon guys.

[lolwatboomer]

personally I buy my TR tokens from the store when they're on sale...

I had hundreds of dungeon/raid tokens stored up but I've used them up to augment, and now I'm saving up the ones I have left.

edit: I've spent ~200 tokens on my main, and 0 on my alts so far, but I'm expecting those kinda numbers for them. Hell, it takes 3 tokens to clean out a slot, and then you have to re-augment them with new tokens. When epic items get upgraded by turbine, that's not retroactive and you have to spend an additional 3. Adds up.

Of course if you have a ton of tokens just lying around and nothing to augment... feel free to throw them on TR tokens. Personally I'd love to be able to augment something like healing amp on epic items...

[Polarkin]

Ok I will speak for Jahwny.

I have run a ton of raids with him and more than a handful of epics.

He is a nice guy and we have talked about this at length.

We both hit the TR button way too fast the first time around.

We did not have any good gear.

We did not know where a good bit of quest where.

We did not know how to play the game very well.

BUT we did have 11$.

So all of a sudden...we are slogging to 20 again...but it takes 3 times as long. And we don't have good gear to help us.

Best part is...we have cool wings and people think we know what we are doing! But we did'nt

What he is getting at is this. If your gear can not hold up to epic...you may wanna get more stuff before you TR so the journey is way smoother.

Epic can test you a good bit. If you can hold your own in Epic...you will most likely enjoy TRing.

Jahwny is not judgmental at all. This may have come across the wrong way...

But ya gotta admit...many people hit that TR button too soon.

Well said, I share the same opinion.

[Potvin]

Oh look, you posted a screenshot of your friends list. Thanks for sharing!

[Rakion]

I felt completely ready, and I didn't grind my epic quests. I did it because I wanted the benefits of the TR, and didn't feel like grinding anymore at the time. I had to grind my GS item and weapons, I was grinding blue dragonscales, I was grinding tapetries, and sigil pieces, and gods know what else. I decided to buy my heart because, at the time, I was kinda sick of grinding, and just wanted to play for a while. I don't regret it in the least.

As far as I'm concerned, everyone is going to go at it their own way.

The next time I go through (and I fully plan on TR'ing a 2nd time), I might grind my way through it, seeing as I will have less to grind as I get higher, seeing as I did alot of it the first time around (though I still have dire need of Blue Dragon Scales).

I figure this way, I get my grind on each time through (but not so much that its daunting, and you get a little bonus reward for it, like tier 2 or 3 GS, or a cool robe, or whatever), and on my last Incarnation for this character, I plan on doing my raiding, and the last of my farming. If you don't save something to do once you get to 20th your last time through, you'll only have raids (fun, but boring after doing them constantly), and you wont get to enjoy your 20th level powers as much. I love stomping on stuff as a level 20 wiz, it does my heart good to smite things down with one spell, or to watch my summon and skellie tear something down in front of me while I watch, and point, and laugh.

Again, everyone is different, everyone will have a way to do it that works for them, so, enjoy the opinions that work for you, and ignore the ones that don't Not everyone's playing style will be the same, nor will be the things you need to grind to become the powerhouse you're trying to be.

just my thoughts

Racyon

[Oathbound]

Where in the world did you draw this entirely wrong assumption from? Being casual typically equates to not having the time required to be a "hardcore" gamer and nothing more.

Its not an assumption. Its an observation: Generally speaking, the more time you have to experience content the better you will be playing in it.

[Comfortably]

Why can't we all be like Redgun and have 3000 epic tokens?

[Maxallu]

Oh look, you posted a screenshot of your friends list. Thanks for sharing!

So you have way more basement dwelling nerd friends than I do.

Congratulations?

[Rakion]

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for being passionate about something you care about or enjoy, but ya
gotta love when someone gets so angry about a GAME that they lose their sauce. Even more irksome is when people get passive aggressive and say things that elude to you not being good enough at what you are doing, no matter how couched in positive syntax it is.
The whole point we do this is to have fun.
If you've got beef, by all means, share, but theres no need to be venomous about it.
On the flip side, don't be passive aggressive about it either, that just makes you look even worse. (I had to retype this line like 3 times, as passive aggressive folks tend to tick me off to no end).
Its about giving your views, not being a jerk. I might not have a friend list yet(as I just started posting yesterday), but I try to give the same respect here as I give to people in the real world, and I tend to prefer a rational debate on a subject than having to read through a bunch of kneejerk responses from people who seem to get way too torq'd about a GAME.
If you're not having fun, you're doing it wrong

just my thoughts,

Racyon

[Cripey]

So you have way more basement dwelling nerd friends than I do.

Congratulations?

Eutopia bads are not allowed to flame, even weak flames like this one.

[Potvin]

So you have way more basement dwelling nerd friends than I do.

Congratulations?

Thanks!

[dunklezhan]

Seeing that a few of my guildmates are currently running through their 3rd TR at the moment, I figured this would be a valid place to post this:

They waited.

I can only speak for one member of the 3 who TR'ed, but he made sure he had his greensteel items done, his raid completions done, and that his build was solid before becoming tree food. I have a feeling the other 2 members did something similar.

I was thinking of TRing my capped pally for a while, as this TR was planned out at least a month ahead of time, but decided to just level another toon instead as they re-ran through the grind and reflagging. The main reason for that was so when the rest of the guild was running raids, I would be able to join them.

I'm glad / waited.

Those hearts are always going to be there.

OK, I do understand what some have said about getting some nice gear to bank for when your TR'd toon is on the way back up (especially given the increase in XP requirement, having something that makes it go faster by way of improving your toons capabilities beyond what would normally be possible makes a lot of sense), but I don't understand about getting your build solid once you reach 20 - what has the build you have before you TR got to do with the build you end up with on your next time through?

On top of that, respeccing (beyond enhancements) in this game is either practically impossible in-game (with fragments), or expensive out of game (LR), so if you're going to TR why on earth would you bother unless you've totally gimped your character or you maybe still have your free feat swap?

[herzkos]

It's personal preference as to whether or not you'd rather spend time or money for the heart - nothing more or less. As far as being "ready" I'm not sure I get what the OP is talking about. How does grinding epic make you any more or less ready to TR? As far as gear goes, you can certainly twink out a character without grinding multiple shroud runs - will you have uber end game loot? No, but do you really need that to get to level 20 as a TR? You didn't need it to get there the first time.

As far as a general understanding of the game and how it's different from PnP and other MMOs, that usually comes from getting your first half dozen or so characters to level 10ish and then re-rolling.

agree wholeheartedly.
especially with the second paragraph.

[MarcusCleardawn]

A couple of points to consider:

How is TRing a character into a new class different than rolling an alt other than access to your previous life's gear and the additional xp grind? Not much. Recently, the cost of a TR heart was only about twice that of a Character Slot.

TRing is approximately twice the grind of leveling to 20 in the first place. The grind for "top level" gear usually persists significantly past the initial 1,900,000 xp's. Isn't it a more efficient use of time, assuming you're going to TR, to TR early and kill 2 birds with one stone?

As far as grinding epic tokens, I don't believe that it's as easy as the OP suggests. Unlike Shroud or Reaver Raids, there are not a great number of LFM's posted for epic quests. In my experience, those that are posted are "x guild and friends" or "Full all spots reserved" or when they are open are limited to experienced players. The point is that the whole Epic thing isn't as easy to break into as your post assumes.

As far as the "wings" thing, who cares? If you put up a PUG you get what you get, the player could have been powerleveled, it could be the player's small child, the player could be drunk, distracted, just not terribly bright.

But I'll tell you what, if you're willing to accept my character on those epic quest runs you're talking about, I'll be more than happy to grind tokens instead of purchasing heart woods.

Peace