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[Impaqt]

I wonder what exactly makes someone "Ready to TR"?

[flynnjsw]

Have you read these forums? I'm sure you have since you have 1000+ posts. Seriously dude, this place is loaded with arrogance. Every other thread is about some player who was not up to the thread starters standards or detailed instructions letting people know exactly the correct way to play the game. I'm not sure I have seen anything like it before, but it should not be that surprising really, D&D nerds have spent decades earning their reputations.

I have read these forums obviously, but continuing to throw insults around is not going to re-enforce your point. It does re-enforce mine though.

[flynnjsw]

I wonder what exactly makes someone "Ready to TR"?

I'm not quite ready to TR yet, I still have crafting I want to do and other stuff to pick up so I have it when I do TR.

[Bacab]

Ok I will speak for Jahwny.

I have run a ton of raids with him and more than a handful of epics.

He is a nice guy and we have talked about this at length.

We both hit the TR button way too fast the first time around.

We did not have any good gear.

We did not know where a good bit of quest where.

We did not know how to play the game very well.

BUT we did have 11$.

So all of a sudden...we are slogging to 20 again...but it takes 3 times as long. And we don't have good gear to help us.

Best part is...we have cool wings and people think we know what we are doing! But we did'nt

What he is getting at is this. If your gear can not hold up to epic...you may wanna get more stuff before you TR so the journey is way smoother.

Epic can test you a good bit. If you can hold your own in Epic...you will most likely enjoy TRing.

Jahwny is not judgmental at all. This may have come across the wrong way...

But ya gotta admit...many people hit that TR button too soon.

[Folonius]

Before anyone points out that this doesn't need to be said as it's common sense, I only wish that were the case, it needs to be said.


Are you level 20? Does epic content intimidate you enough that it seems like a good idea to buy a True Heart of Wood from the ddo store so that you don't have to collect 20 whole epic tokens?

You're not ready, keep practicing, TR later, you won't regret the delay.

Hi Welcome

[Potvin]

I have about 30ish epic tokens and I'm already sick of epic. I can't blame anyone for wanting to avoiding this obscene grind.

Imo this game is FULL of obscene grinds. Yeah, I know MMORPG's are all invariably about grinding, but some of these things are needless grinds. I understand why they are there, but are they seriously needed?

- Gianthold relics (too many of them for actual leveling - if they made this 10 of each I could more easily see it as you'd basically get them doing quests for needed experience and a modest amount of chest grinding in wilderness.

- Abbott fragments (specifically, the fact the quest specific fragment doesn't drop 100% of the time from end chest). I'm OK with the 4 random drop from any quest ones as you can farm one or two of them (solo) if you wish.

- ToD boot ingredient farming (not absolutely mandatory in the short term, but eventually you DO need to get this to help your raid out)

Anyway it's not like this **** will ever change. Just gives me an opportunity to rant about 'some' of the grind in this game, before GRR I was also in a small and less capable guild. I never could get the personnel to flag for Abbott, and to this day my main is still not actually blooded (although I don't really care)

[grodon9999]

- Gianthold relics (too many of them for actual leveling - if they made this 10 of each I could more easily see it as you'd basically get them doing quests for needed experience and a modest amount of chest grinding in wilderness.

- Abbott fragments (specifically, the fact the quest specific fragment doesn't drop 100% of the time from end chest). I'm OK with the 4 random drop from any quest ones as you can farm one or two of them (solo) if you wish.

Agreed, the grind required for this non-end-game content is absurd. The drop rates should be increased tremendously. Few people even bother with Necro as you don't need it on your first life. Ive got one toon Abbot flagged and have never run the raid.

- ToD boot ingredient farming (not absolutely mandatory in the short term, but eventually you DO need to get this to help your raid out)

I got lucky with this, my 3 capped toons got boots without too much pain but yeah, it's dumb. At the same time I think forcing people to run the Amrath stuff is bunch of times makes them better players so I'm not sure how bad it really is.

Grinding for loot is okay, you don't need loot. Grinding for flagging is just stupid.

Back on topic . . . what Bacab said was right, don't TR until you're geared up enough and know what you're doing.

[Thriand]

I was planning on reincarnating my rogue today after she gets another 20th reward list in the shroud, but I guess I should hold off and send my resume to you to see if I am truly ready.

[kingfisher]

I wonder what exactly makes someone "Ready to TR"?

roughly $10 or enough time to grind for the tokens

[Cripey]

I was planning on reincarnating my rogue today after she gets another 20th reward list in the shroud, but I guess I should hold off and send my resume to you to see if I am truly ready.

Please send references!

[Berjik]

This is a "YMMV" thread, maybe people like the challenge of not having gear. Why don't you let people play the game they want to instead of trying to play it for them?

[Anthios888]

I was planning on reincarnating my rogue today after she gets another 20th reward list in the shroud, but I guess I should hold off and send my resume to you to see if I am truly ready.

It's OK, Thriand, you can put me down as a reference.

[cpito]

I'll get there eventually (I see no rush), but I have never enjoyed end game in any MMO I've played - I just don't get the point of it. No character advancement, no point, in terms of me enjoying myself. I hate grinding gear because generally you aren't experiencing anything new when you do that, and that's dull.

Yes, when you hit lvl 20, your character stops gaining experience points but you yourself don't have to stop learning. Just because a character has hit 20 doesn't mean that character can't still expand through better gear. There is a reason people giggle like little girls when they finally get thier hands on a Litany, an SoS, or a lightning strike weapon. Running an old quest with a new weapon or item can indeed change your experience and be a lot of fun (I still giggle sometimes when I get a lightning strike). Often it makes the difference between doing a quest the old-fashioned dull way or trying a new tactic.

[Junts]

Yes, when you hit lvl 20, your character stops gaining experience points but you yourself don't have to stop learning. Just because a character has hit 20 doesn't mean that character can't still expand through better gear. There is a reason people giggle like little girls when they finally get thier hands on a Litany, an SoS, or a lightning strike weapon. Running an old quest with a new weapon or item can indeed change your experience and be a lot of fun (I still giggle sometimes when I get a lightning strike). Often it makes the difference between doing a quest the old-fashioned dull way or trying a new tactic.

You lie, when was the last time a level 20 you know learned something?!

[cpito]

You lie, when was the last time a level 20 you know learned something?!

I see it all the time!

Getting them to remember that they've learned something new... well that's a different story

[harold2560]

It is indeed the lack of experience. People see the wings around your name and expect you to not only know what you're doing, but have a better idea than the next guy.

And therein lies the mistake. Expecting anything from someone just because they have wings on their name is a setup for disappointment.

Some people just enjoy leveling toons, if that makes them happy, i hope they buy a million true hearts and keep paying turbines rent.

Personally, I wont TR a toon till it has a pretty good amount a gear, and maybe a +3 tome or two. Specifically stuff that you can use in the middish levels like 10-14... greensteel, hound vod gear, abbot gear etc. I think its fun when you level a TR and your rewarded when you level not just by getting feats/abilities, But by putting on that uber peice of gear that you had to grind for before and didnt get till cap, and now can wear at min level.

To each their own....

[Potvin]

Did someone say something about level 20's learning new things?

[Oathbound]

This reads just like every "Hardcore raider" vs. "Casual leveler" thread I've read in every MMO i have ever played.

Being casual doesn't make you bad. But its a strong indication that you might be.

[grodon9999]

This is a "YMMV" thread, maybe people like the challenge of not having gear. Why don't you let people play the game they want to instead of trying to play it for them?

The OP is speaking from experience and trying to warn other not to make the same 'mistake' he did, that's pretty much it.

[thoryndar]

Seeing that a few of my guildmates are currently running through their 3rd TR at the moment, I figured this would be a valid place to post this:

They waited.

I can only speak for one member of the 3 who TR'ed, but he made sure he had his greensteel items done, his raid completions done, and that his build was solid before becoming tree food. I have a feeling the other 2 members did something similar.

I was thinking of TRing my capped pally for a while, as this TR was planned out at least a month ahead of time, but decided to just level another toon instead as they re-ran through the grind and reflagging. The main reason for that was so when the rest of the guild was running raids, I would be able to join them.

I'm glad / waited.

Those hearts are always going to be there.