Buddhist Archer

[Sinni]

i think there is especially one point that makes a difference and that i may not have pointed out enough:

For me, this char is a pure fun build. It is to play something special and unique for a change. It's not something to go raiding excessively or the like.

For you, it is your main (you wrote in your build thrad that it is your first capped character). you want to go raiding with it and do whatnot.

Thus you need more healing power, as you said, both builds can't really take a DPS spot. I can't take a "full healers" spot, you probably can. But many raid parties have some spots for "that guy is tagging along too, he won't contribute immensely, but can carry his weight". That's what my character would fill in raids, i'm not so dellusional to expect to fill other spots.
If i want to fill the a healer spot in a raid, i bring my fvs. If i want a dps spot, i bring my heavy pick kensai.

As i already have a healer, i don't want another. I think i'll have more fun levelling and playing this character than i would have on your build, which is more focused on healing, as i already have a char for that.

I agree your build is better suited for raiding and the like, but it just isn't what i want to achieve with my build.

[wax_on_wax_off]

i think there is especially one point that makes a difference and that i may not have pointed out enough:

For me, this char is a pure fun build. It is to play something special and unique for a change. It's not something to go raiding excessively or the like.

For you, it is your main (you wrote in your build thrad that it is your first capped character). you want to go raiding with it and do whatnot.

Thus you need more healing power, as you said, both builds can't really take a DPS spot. I can't take a "full healers" spot, you probably can. But many raid parties have some spots for "that guy is tagging along too, he won't contribute immensely, but can carry his weight". That's what my character would fill in raids, i'm not so dellusional to expect to fill other spots.
If i want to fill the a healer spot in a raid, i bring my fvs. If i want a dps spot, i bring my heavy pick kensai.

As i already have a healer, i don't want another. I think i'll have more fun levelling and playing this character than i would have on your build, which is more focused on healing, as i already have a char for that.

I agree your build is better suited for raiding and the like, but it just isn't what i want to achieve with my build.

Fair enough

I had heaps of fun leveling my character though, she was excellent for my style of play. I pretty much only healed at times when I was feeling too lazy to do anything else. When I wasn't feeling lazy I could zerg with turn undead, blade barrier and manyshot. I have excellent DCs for the content that I chose to run so could make use of plenty of offensive casting. At low levels turn undead made leveling heaps easy and I could clear a wing of bloody crypt faster than a firewalling wizard could, it was really entertaining.

Unfortunately there isn't really much on the cleric list for offensive casting below level 6 but there is some excellent crowd control and with a better strength and splashed ranger for two weapon fighting you'll be a competent battle cleric until you can be an arcane archer.

Once you get blade barrier it is all gravy though you'll get it a level after me and I can tell you that that will hurt. Level 9-12 was the hardest ones for me because my turn undead was a bit gimped from splashes, mobs get tough around level 10 and the old buff and swing doesn't work so well.

I survived ok because I picked up manyshot at 9 and arcane archer and there was a curious bug that has since been fixed.

Level 13 everything opened up to me, then it closed when I realised how useless blade barrier is without quicken so had to use it very carefully and still wasted plenty of SP on failed concentration checks, I strongly suggest getting a good +concentration item.

This character is my alt, I have an 18 tempest which is my main and I leveled up this alt to be a farming character when I TR, though have been lazy so am still 100k from 20, I'll get around to it but am happy to just keep all the raids on timer and gradually get to 20 that way. I've got 9 other toons in the 7-12 range that have farmed 500-1000 favour on the different servers as well.

I think it's great that you want a character that is your own and when you posted here I just assumed that you wanted some help fulfilling your objectives. I don't mean to just compare our characters but I was trying to give you help on improving your feat selection so that you could fulfill the objectives that you want to complete. If you want offensive casting, cool, but you'll probably need to pick up heighten, spell penetration and maybe splash less. If you want to have ranged combat and good casting ability you'll want to pick up zen archery because of the pressure the feat takes off your APs (8 for dex enhancements and considering the level content you want to run you can reclaim another 8 by not taking elf attack I, II and silver flame though I don't know if you planned to take those) Those saved APs can be used to pump up your wisdom, spell penetration and anything else you want to spend points on.

If it's just a character that you want to level up and then forget about or buy a true heart of wood from the DDO store and TR then that's cool too.

Leveling wise, I think the majority of the time you'd just be a bad battlecleric until you get to level 14 when you have blade barrier. When you get divine power or if you have plenty of clickies then you'll have fun with manyshot too.

[Sinni]

yes, i posted the build to get advice and i got advice, thanks to everyone.

it's just that you suggested too many changes because you have a similar, but still different, idea in your mind from your own character.

but nevertheless what you wrote was/is helpful. i'm still unsure about the fact if i want to go radiant servant or not. but after all these postings i came to this: i'll try it out and if i think it isn't worth it the way i play then i drop it. There are enough other interesting feats that could replace it (zen archer, extend, quicken, spell focus, heighten, spell pen) and i think in the end i'll take the one where i find i lack the most (to hit, annyoed by recasting divine might/favor/recitation/blade barriers, issues with concentration tough my fvs only has them in amrath around all the cleaving devils, DC or SR). dropping radiant servant would also open up a lot of AP (many of the prereqs are just wasted like heal or improved turning with dumped cha) and the cha equipment slot.

so i guess it will be a bit of trial and error, since it doesn't seem somebody already tried to do exactely the same what i want to do. but now i know what i have to keep in mind.

so thanks everyone. tough i don't know when i'll have the time to really play this char (i created her but apart of WW and a few other quests i didn't do anything yet)