Boot ingredient grind

[Thelmallen]

This complaint is a little too late out the gate. It is much easier to get ingredients then it used to be. Wrath of Flame dropping ingredients is flooding the market with farmed ingredients and will continue to do so.

I ran my gimp through the flags last week. Glanced in a few of my ingredient bags (didn't even bother checking them all) and was short an artifact. Bought it off the AH for 15K PP...

The most expensive ingredient at worst costs 1 Large Scale.

It's not a complaint, Cyr, it's a list of suggestions. The only thing that I'm seeing 'flooding the market' on Sarlona are artifacts. Sixty pages of ingredients on the AH today showed four or six bloods, one iron and no keepsakes.

[soupertc]

So you are saying that the available options (run quests, trade with friends, buy from AH) are too difficult, and the devs should make it easier for people to get into the penultimate raid in the game. Why have flagging at all? Why not just let people into the raid?




Boots aren't even a requirement for the raid. Start your own groups, and then you can group with the people who have flagged but don't have boots. Tell the people who require a LINK that they're being ridiculous and to live a little. Stop relying so much on other people for your enjoyment.

I undrrstand your points....trust me I do. But like a dog chasing it's tail we can go about this all day. One thing though....my enjoyment of the game doesn't rely on other people...that made me laugh pretty hard .

[soupertc]

As someone who has good luck with ingredient pulls, I like that a couple are harder to get--As a healer, I like that newer players for the most part have to run these quests a few times, because then maybe they know what weapons and tactics to use. I like to make money, and to have good items for trade.

I'm in the same boat as you Moops. Getting the stuff wasn't hard for me either.....I think some of the people replying to my threads think I'm some poor sap down on his luck like our friend Thel!!! But I do know that if Thel takes the time to post something most of the time it's not some rant....he's a pretty relaxed dude(for someone with a crappy internet connection it's amamzing!!!).

[herzkos]

It's not as bad as the Gianthold relic grind, but it's pretty close.

IMO the drop rates should be 100% when the flagging quests are run on Elite. Casual, normal and hard, sure, keep them low. But if you can do a full flagging tour on elite - you've earned boots, IMO.

when i first read the above quote, I was all for it. After further review:
respectfully, you missed the boat. the issue is about the grind and casual/non-power gamers difficulty
in getting the materials needed.
Making the mats drop more often (or guaranteed for a full flagging tour) on elite kinda defeats the purpose
of the OP's request. Folks who are having difficulty grinding out the ingredients aren't likely to be running
the flagging quests on elite anyway. This suggestion would just serve to increase the distance between
the haves and the have-nots.

[Thelmallen]

...he's a pretty relaxed dude(for someone with a crappy internet connection it's amamzing!!!).

Catch me in the afternoon after downing a Red Bull and see how relaxed I am!

And for you information, my internet connection has been much much better of late. All I did was move to the other side of the house (and it's not even a big house) and now I hardly ever get lag spikes. Muhaahahahahahahaha!!

[Schmoe]

I undrrstand your points....trust me I do. But like a dog chasing it's tail we can go about this all day.

True, true. I think I'll spare you all another heartfelt treatise and simply summarize by saying that I disagree.

One thing though....my enjoyment of the game doesn't rely on other people...that made me laugh pretty hard .

Well, as long as that holds true, I think there's hope for you yet

[Folonius]

If you re-read the OP you'll understand that this isn't about making an 'easy button' for ToD, it's about making the raid more available for people who just can't seem to acquire ingredients.

IMO, if they can't acquire the ingredients, they're doing it wrong.

[soupertc]

IMO, if they can't acquire the ingredients, they're doing it wrong.

that was deep.....did it take ya most of a minute to come up with that gem?

[Thelmallen]

IMO, if they can't acquire the ingredients, they're doing it wrong.

With posts like that, I see why your rep is disabled.

Go troll someone else's thread.

[mws2970]

IMO, if they can't acquire the ingredients, they're doing it wrong.

So running the quest to completion multiple times is "doing it wrong"? Please tell us how to "do it right" then.

[Delt]

With posts like that, I see why your rep is disabled.

Go troll someone else's thread.

Why? It's true. I was too lazy to read this whole thread, but I am sure this has already been said...

As far as grinds go (all MMOs gotta have grinds), boot ingrediants are pretty easy. I had the majority of my boots made prior to both the Wrath-chest fix and the increased ingrediant drop -- and I have no luck.

Even if your luck sucks and you get zero ingrediants for 20-30 runs of amarth content, you've definitely made the plat to buy what you need (prices are dropping consistently). And what is more, boots are not even REQUIRED, so if you are both too cheap AND too lazy to get your boots, join a group that will adjust tactics (ie: let you kill orthons). Or form your own group.

I am happy to argue for convienence (ie: npc teleport to Titan) or criticize terrible grinds (DT armor)....but boot ingreds? Please, gimme a break...

[Thelmallen]

Why? It's true. I was too lazy to read this whole thread, but I am sure this has already been said...

As far as grinds go (all MMOs gotta have grinds), boot ingrediants are pretty easy. I had the majority of my boots made prior to both the Wrath-chest fix and the increased ingrediant drop -- and I have no luck.

Even if your luck sucks and you get zero ingrediants for 20-30 runs of amarth content, you've definitely made the plat to buy what you need (prices are dropping consistently). And what is more, boots are not even REQUIRED, so if you are both too cheap AND too lazy to get your boots, join a group that will adjust tactics (ie: let you kill orthons). Or form your own group.

I am happy to argue for convienence (ie: npc teleport to Titan) or criticize terrible grinds (DT armor)....but boot ingreds? Please, gimme a break...

Hi. Welcome.

Forum courtesy: read thread then post.

All of your points have been addressed in previous posts.

[Delt]

Hi. Welcome.

Forum courtesy: read thread then post.

All of your points have been addressed in previous posts.

Doesn't really matter if they've been responded to or not, it doesn't change the validity of my points. Your Hi welcome/forum courtesy point is stupidily self serving as well, as I admitted I wasn't going to read the whole thread...nor do I need to in order to reply to the OP.

Edit: And I read the whole thread, none of these arguements were countered by you. At best you covered your ears and said "lalalala, your own experiences don't matter". Bottomline, boots aren't much of a grind...nor are they even required. If you want optional gear easier and for less work/plat, complain all you want. Just don't be surprised when people disagree.

[Thelmallen]

Doesn't really matter if they've been responded to or not, it doesn't change the validity of my points. Your Hi welcome/forum courtesy point is stupidily self serving as well, as I admitted I wasn't going to read the whole thread...nor do I need to in order to reply to the OP.

Edit: And I read the whole thread, none of these arguements were countered by you. At best you covered your ears and said "lalalala, your own experiences don't matter". Bottomline, boots aren't much of a grind...nor are they even required. If you want optional gear easier and for less work/plat, complain all you want. Just don't be surprised when people disagree.

And it's not that I don't care but posting your experiences of pulling all your boot ingredients for your entire complement of characters in one afternoon last week is not contributing to the thread.

I realize that the intent is to encourage people to run the Battlefield quests. However, the unfortunate reality is those people are largely excluded from running the raid if they don't have boots. I don't know how it goes on the other servers but on Sarlona, a LFM for ToD generally includes the words "Must have boots".

And that's my beef with this raid 'flagging' mechanism. Take out the random, make us do our work and get our results. I have no problem flagging for raids. I have no problem running Vale quests to acquire ingredients for items I choose to build. I do have a problem slogging my way through mobs of CR19 Orthons and Barbazu for 20-30 minutes to earn a 3-5% chance at pulling one of four pieces of a recipe that is now essentially required by the gaming community to run the highest-level non-epic raid.

And a 3-5% drop rate on a 4-ingredeint recipe is a grind for most people. Sounds like it isn't for you but for most people it is.

320k pp for blood (what it's been on Sarlona recently) is expensive, btw, especially if you have to cough up as much for two of the other three ingredients. That's nearly 1 million pp for each set of boots. That's a lot, no matter who you are.

C'mon now, if you think you're going to get 900k plat to buy a set of boots on Sarlona by running the Amrath quests, you're just being ridiculous.

Please understand that I'm not complaining about not being able to acquire ingredients. I could get them if I wanted to. I could buy 'em, guildies would trade them to me, buddies like Souper would just give them to me if I asked. The point of the OP was to suggest some alternatives to the boot ingredient grind for those who either can't afford the ingredients or aren't lucky enough to have a bunch of generous guildies and friends who would help them out.

Again, this is about making the ToD raid more available for people that have difficulty acquiring ingredients. While I understand that you and your buddies pulled ingredients right and left when you were farming for them, that is not the experience of a lot of the people that play this game. See the previous posts in this thread for more information.

It's not a complaint, Cyr, it's a list of suggestions. The only thing that I'm seeing 'flooding the market' on Sarlona are artifacts. Sixty pages of ingredients on the AH today showed four or six bloods, one iron and no keepsakes.

[sacredtheory]

Doesn't really matter if they've been responded to or not, it doesn't change the validity of my points. Your Hi welcome/forum courtesy point is stupidily self serving as well, as I admitted I wasn't going to read the whole thread...nor do I need to in order to reply to the OP.

Edit: And I read the whole thread, none of these arguements were countered by you. At best you covered your ears and said "lalalala, your own experiences don't matter". Bottomline, boots aren't much of a grind...nor are they even required. If you want optional gear easier and for less work/plat, complain all you want. Just don't be surprised when people disagree.

Wrong, for some people boots are a grind, that's the main point. We've run dozens upon dozens of Amrath quests with no ingredient drops. On my server purchasing all the ingredients would be 1.5 million plat. Every time I see a ToD LFM, it states "have boots". So what's left, start my own group? Right. I'll make sure to post in my LFM: "ToD raid, I don't have boots, need a guide"

[Delt]

lalalala, I'm not listening. Your experiences and opinion don't matter.

You don't need to reinforce my point.

C'mon now, if you think you're going to get 900k plat to buy a set of boots on Sarlona by running the Amrath quests, you're just being ridiculous.

Then run the shroud for ingreds. Or farm icy kits. Or any other plat-drowning opportunity (of which there are many).

You want to come up with numerous excuses why you (and "casual players") can't get boots. Bad luck, have a job, not enough plat, etc... Sorry optional loot doesn't fly in your lap without some measure of effort

Wrong, for some people boots are a grind, that's the main point. We've run dozens upon dozens of Amrath quests with no ingredient drops. On my server purchasing all the ingredients would be 1.5 million plat. Every time I see a ToD LFM, it states "have boots". So what's left, start my own group? Right. I'll make sure to post in my LFM: "ToD raid, I don't have boots, need a guide"

Between Arameel & Aramilius, you've completed 4 Amarath quests since May 1st. I am so sorry you do not have multiple sets of boots yet. Your luck (or lack thereof) is horrendous and actually makes me weep for you.

God bless my.ddo

[sacredtheory]

Between Arameel & Aramilius, you've completed 4 Amarath quests since May 1st. I am so sorry you do not have multiple sets of boots yet. Your luck (or lack thereof) is horrendous and actually makes me weep for you.

God bless my.ddo

Yeah, and we all know how accurate MyDDO is ;-)

[toughguyjoe]

Le Sigh.


I'll say it again.

"The amount of players experiencing lack of Boots Ingredients due to Grinding low drop rates unsuccessfully needs to be more than someone just saying "A lot of us". There needs to be some accountability of how many players CANNOT make boots AT ALL in their experience. If this number is high enough to be alarming(In my oppinion 20% or more) then the system needs further changes."

Now. Can anyone get figures for us to look at? Doubtful. All we have is the evidence we have seen on our respective servers.

On Argonnessen there seems to be no shortage of boot ingredients dropping, as pretty much all medium and up sized guilds are running the raid. Many of these guilds pug out spots, and don't seem to have problems filling them.

This information IN FACT adds to the thread, as this information is incredibly valuable to determine whether the boot ingredient system is in fact faulty and needs another overhaul.

[xxScoobyDooxx]

Are you serious, Fluffy? Did you even read my OP? Did you read the dozen-plus responses where people who have the bad luck like me have chimed in?

No, it DOES NOT TAKE AN HOUR to grind for boot ingredients, it just doesn't. Not for everyone. Maybe for you but you are not everyone. I've ran Wrath 30+ times in the past two weeks and pulled nothing, not one single ingredient. Ten or so runs through Shipment yielded the same results. And this is just recently--does not include all of the runs through Shipment I did and solo'd before I took a 4 month break due to the grind. I think I ransacked that Shipment chest twice each on my battle bard and ranger back then. I got an artifact from a guild run through Invasion but that's it. Nothing from Genesis, nothing from Bastion and I've run that many many times with helpful guildies.

So you see, it's not an hour grind. It's been months. As I said before, randomness results in haves and have-nots. You're a 'have', good for you.

Did you read my post ... you haven't responded .... I asked did you run solo or in a group ..... although I gloated about my Devouts, I did have a serious question that could help everyone.

It looked like a full party had a huge increase in drop rate than a 2 person party. We 2 person ground for weeks with zero success. One night with 6 people in party and 4 Devouts drop in 8 runs. Luck maybe but please answer the question. Are you alone or in a group of 6?

[moops]

Did you read my post ... you haven't responded .... I asked did you run solo or in a group ..... although I gloated about my Devouts but I had a serious question that could help everyone.

It looked like a full party had a huge increase in drop rate than a 2 person party. We 2 person ground for weeks with zero success. One night with 6 people in party and 4 Devouts drop in 8 runs. Luck maybe but please answer the question. Are you alone or in a group of 6?

I will say that it seems that in at least Bastion, Full Groups seem to have highly increased drop rates, Ive been in groups where everyone got a blood--I ve been in groups where me and another person got 2 bloods in one run. Soloing tho, I've never pulled 2.

I do agree tho, that if people are really running these quests even 20 times--they should be making money--I don't just solo sins for the Keepsake, I do it for the larges that drop that I can then put on the AH. Even without a large ingredient drop or extra chest--I average two 16k weapons a run ( so around 250 K for 20 runs off higher priced trash alone ) plus I seem to pull some tasty goodies like AC 8 Bracers, incredible handwraps, etc--that I can sell on the AH. And all the other vendor trash adds up.

But perhaps people spend their money faster than it comes in.

I think that anyone who even just takes 10 mins to list stuff on the AH, can make money--I made 400K yesterday selling mostly small and medium ingredients which we all know we have a ton of--and then another 300K in larges. I dont even run shroud as much as I used to--I see some people ransacking it on multiple alts, that complain about not having boots.