Assassin and AA rolled into one.

[thenalim]

This is my first entirely planned out build so be nice, I probably forgot something important.
The thought is to make a functioning assassin that can also be decent in ranged. I managed to fit in the entire Arcane archer line plus a few elven enhancements. The build also have assassin 3 for meleeing stuff that gets to close. The thought is going for max str but still being able to hit stuff. Main regret is that I couldnt fit in Shot on the run.

The order of the feat selection might be changed I think I'll want twf earlier.

Updated it after some more thinking, Sorc instead of wiz for extra sp, more STR, less INT and DEX

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Seth
Level 20 True Neutral Elf Male
(19 Rogue / 1 Sorcerer)
Hit Points: 218
Spell Points: 230

BAB: 14/14/19/24
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 16
Will: 8

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 23
Dexterity 16 20
Constitution 16 18
Intelligence 8 10
Wisdom 8 10
Charisma 8 10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 7 17
Bluff -1 8
Concentration 3 7
Diplomacy -1 2
Disable Device 3 25
Haggle -1 2
Heal -1 2
Hide 3 34
Intimidate -1 2
Jump 7 31
Listen -1 4
Move Silently 3 32
Open Lock 7 28
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 2
Search 3 27
Spot -1 4
Swim 3 8
Tumble 7 34
Use Magic Device 3 24

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack

Level 2 (Sorcerer)

Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot

Level 4 (Rogue)

Level 5 (Rogue)

Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons

Level 7 (Rogue)

Level 8 (Rogue)

Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Bow Strength

Level 10 (Rogue)

Level 11 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion

Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot

Level 13 (Rogue)

Level 14 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike

Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot

Level 16 (Rogue)

Level 17 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery

Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting

Level 19 (Rogue)

Level 20 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archher: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I

[angel14995]

As a AA, do you really need to pick up every Imbue X Arrows? Wouldn't it be more effective to pick 2/3 max and then use the other enhancement points on something else? Like Possibly Arcane Archer II?

[thenalim]

Yes I do as they are prereq for slaying arrows(which is the main point going AA). There is no AA2, the toon I have here will have almost every AA enhancement(might actually have every, I think the only one not needed for slaying arrow is force burst arrow).

[gnussef]

I toyed around with the idea of an assassin AA, I went a different route though at 13 rogue 6 ranger 1 fighter. The amount of feats you can get with the 6 ranger levels is very nice for an archer build that wants a bit of versatility.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=259567

[thenalim]

Yeah looks solid enough, I'm planning to make it a RadII assassin though so I need 18 lvls of rouge for Assassin3 and 19 adds to my sneak attack.

After some thinking I will probably switch my wiz lvl to sorc for increased sp. I can take the sorc sp enhancement instead of mental toughness to get the prerequisite for the AA.

[Spoonman457]

I may be wrong but I thought you only needed mt or an arcane spell caster lvl to get aa as an elf, as you get the elf arcane feat thing for free when you take the wiz/sorc lvl as an elf and this would give you an extra feat for other things (like toughness). But its been a few months since I looked at the aa PrE, and I may be confusing the one of section with the all of section in the requirements list. otherwise this build looks solid.

THE Spoonman

[unbongwah]

Wizard splash would let him meet his AA pre-req w/out MT, but it also gets him a free metamagic. What would you suggest other than MT, given that he will only have lvl 1 wizard spells and needs SPs to power his imbues?

Re: wizard w/MT vs sorcerer splash - good idea to crunch the numbers to see which gets you more SPs.

[Missing_Minds]

Given the change to TWF...

Wouldn't you be better off to drop TWF at 18, and take Toughness Or do you not have any spare AP to spend on HP?

By being true neutral I'm assuming you would have been SB the rest of the way for Light and Darkness.

[thenalim]

I just figured that Id get enough extra hits with TWF for it to draw my melee dps a fair bit up on bosses, with the sneak and all. The alignment was mainly so I can use litany in case i stumble upon it, I don't see why I would ever want to use light and darkness.

If i could hit well enough without TWF I would take toughness but I doubt I would.

I may be wrong but I thought you only needed mt or an arcane spell caster lvl to get aa as an elf, as you get the elf arcane feat thing for free when you take the wiz/sorc lvl as an elf and this would give you an extra feat for other things (like toughness). But its been a few months since I looked at the aa PrE, and I may be confusing the one of section with the all of section in the requirements list. otherwise this build looks solid.

THE Spoonman

I'm not sure about what you're trying to say here. I wont get any extra feat from being sorc or wiz(wiz gets a class feat: that feat cannot be toughness). I dont need mt, I can take one of the enhancements for sp instead, and that is probably what I'll do, I'll take sorc and take the elf sp enhancement.


Hmm maybe I should get my str a bit higher and leave dex at 16, int at 8.. This toon wont be much of a trapper anyhow.
Updated the original post with a new plan.

[Niflheimr]

I have done a similar build for my guild.
Assassin 3 / AA, but no TWF, since you need GTWF to be efficiant ...

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Elf Male
(1 Monk \ 18 Rogue \ 1 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 222
Spell Points: 320 
BAB: 13\13\18\23
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 21
Will: 9

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 16                   16
Dexterity            16                 21                   26
Constitution         14                 14                   14
Intelligence         14                 16                   16
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma              8                  8                    8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               7                 31                   31
Bluff                -1                 -1                    5
Concentration         2                  2                    2
Diplomacy            -1                 -1                   -1
Disable Device        6                 26                   26
Haggle                3                 22                   22
Heal                 -1                 -1                   -1
Hide                  5                 22                   30
Intimidate           -1                 -1                   -1
Jump                  5                 17                   17
Listen               -1                  1                    3
Move Silently         7                 22                   30
Open Lock             7                 31                   31
Perform              n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                  3                    3
Search                6                 26                   28
Spot                  3                 22                   24
Swim                  3                  3                    3
Tumble                7                 31                   31
Use Magic Device      3                 22                   22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longbow
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding


Level 2 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 3 (Monk)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 4 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Charm
Feat: (Automatic) Inscribe Scroll
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge


Level 5 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense


Level 6 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Bow Strength
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Listen (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcanum I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I

[thenalim]

I just took the TWF to decrease the penalties for dual wielding, I don't imagine Ill gain a huge lot other than that. Feels daft not to dual wield when 90% your melee dps comes from SA